W3C home > Mailing lists > Public > www-forms@w3.org > July 2002

Re: REMOVE, REMOVE, REMOVE - XFORMS IS GARBAGE

From: Kevin Garvey <garveypc@telus.net>
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 04:06:09 -0700
Message-ID: <000b01c22801$cc703820$aa19c2cf@deltabcwrg77yo>
To: <info@maxframe.com>
Cc: <www-forms-request@w3.org>, <www-forms@w3.org>
Mr. Benfor,

The 'X' stands for extensible. Extend the analysis of the data so it can be uniquely identified.
The 'M' represents meta, an isomeric relationship where identical elements are elegantly divided by structural arrangement.
The 'L' stands for long lasting, meaning it will be here today and tomorrow.

XML is or will be the lingua franca and XForms represents the next evolutionary step. By splitting the interphase into three parts - data model, instance data, and user interface - it separates presentation from content, allowing reuse, device independence and a reduced need for scripting.

The operating system will become irrelevant when information can be easily parsed to any appliance, device or language in real time. Isn't this what we've all been working for? 

Regards,

Kevin Garvey 

List-Id: <www-forms.w3.org>
List-Help: <http://www.w3.org/Mail/>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:www-forms-request@w3.org?subject=unsubscribe>

   


Forgive me for intruding in on this but you seen not to be getting the
point...

If you wish to be taken off this list send a blank email to
www-forms-request@w3.org with a subject line of "unsubscribe".

Please stop littering this list with useless information and
argumentative statements and attacks.


=====================================================
"Life is not a punishment, not a task, but a gift. 
Your only obligation is to enjoy every minute of it."
-Louie Stermole 
===================================================== 
  
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <info@maxframe.com>
To: "Anthony Missico, Jr." <amissico@Missico.com>
Cc: <www-forms-request@w3.org>; <www-forms@w3.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: REMOVE, REMOVE, REMOVE - XFORMS IS GARBAGE


> 
> Anthony,
> 
> There is no reason to be polite when this group is handled in such an
> utterly stupid way.  The entire XFORMS project reeks of gross stupidity and
> is a pointless waste of time as it is not an industry-standard - or even
> vaguely intelligent way to handle data within browsers.  What should be done
> is a data repository with simply direct scripting language.  The entire
> approach of XML (eXtraneous Markup Language) is just dead WRONG and is going
> to go nowhere.
> 
> I am fed up with watching the computer industry and those involved with it
> move backwards and backwards into a primitive dark age.  The entire
> situation with data was figured out on mainframes quite well in the 1960s
> and 1970s with real databases that had direct terminal sessions to
> manipulate the data.  However, today, all we have is layer after layer of
> useless garbage proliferating around endless GUIs - AND NOTHING IMPORTANT IS
> GETTING DONE.
> 
> I have watched these emails for years and I COMPLETELY DISMISS THE VALIDITY
> OF XFORMS AND XML, as they are a huge step backwards in terms of how to
> handle data.  You are deluding yourself - and know little about computing -
> if you think otherwise.
> 
> Moreover, you all can't even manage the list in a vaguely intelligent way.
> I manage a number of Yahoo Groups sites which makes it very easy to set
> email preferences and acts as a central repository for ALL MESSAGES so
> people don't have to be deluged with the latest dumb question or fragment of
> half-baked thought, but can look at the whole on a single site and read what
> they wish to read.  Why don't you run this group this way?
> 
> It seems like all of the people I've watched and read on the XFORMS list
> have a burning passion to reinvent the wheel but do it in a square shape.
> If calling a spade a spade is rude, then so be it.
> 
> Please be sure we are removed from this list forthwith.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Jim R. Benfer Jr., Chairman/CEO
> MaxFrame Corporation
> www.maxframe.com
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anthony Missico, Jr." <amissico@Missico.com>
> To: <info@maxframe.com>; <www-forms@w3.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 5:05 PM
> Subject: RE: REMOVE, REMOVE, REMOVE - XFORMS IS GARBAGE
> 
> 
> >
> > That is uncalled for. There is no reason to be rude.
> >
> > If you look at the message headers, you will find instructions on how to
> > unsubscribe.
> >
> > For instance,
> > List-Id: <www-forms.w3.org>
> > List-Help: <http://www.w3.org/Mail/>
> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:www-forms-request@w3.org?subject=unsubscribe>
> >
> > Now, if you want to be removed from the list please send a message to
> > www-forms-request@w3.org with the subject of unsubscribe. If you are still
> > receiving messages than you need to bring the issue to someone's
> attention.
> >
> > But, don't be rude.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: info@maxframe.com [mailto:info@maxframe.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 4:43 PM
> > To: www-forms@w3.org
> > Subject: Re: REMOVE, REMOVE, REMOVE - XFORMS IS GARBAGE
> >
> >
> >
> > WE HAVE REQUESTED TO BE REMOVED OVER AND OVER AGAIN - PLEASE REMOVE US
> > IMMEDIATELY.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joe Schaefer" <joe+apache@sunstarsys.com>
> > To: <www-forms@w3.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 4:26 PM
> > Subject: server-side support for XForms
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > >   I'm currently working on a new version of an HTML form-parsing
> > > library (it's an ASF project called libapreq; the project's webpage
> > > is one of the links at http://httpd.apache.org/).
> > >
> > > I'd like to include some support for XForms in the upcoming version
> > > of the library, but am struggling with the issue of xml namespaces
> > > in the multipart/form-data mediaType.  I've looked at sections 4.4.3
> > > of the XForms-1.0 draft, but the example there does not seem to indicate
> > > (to me, anyway) how namespaces will be represented in the form
> > > submission data (I'm laboring under the assumption that the multipart/
> > > form-data and text/xml mediaTypes are roughly "interchangeable").
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance!
> > >
> > > --
> > > Joe Schaefer
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> 
> 
Received on Wednesday, 10 July 2002 07:08:32 GMT

This archive was generated by hypermail 2.2.0+W3C-0.50 : Saturday, 10 March 2012 06:21:51 GMT