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RE: REMOVE, REMOVE, REMOVE - XFORMS IS GARBAGE

From: Michael Hallett <hallem@rpi.edu>
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 02:12:14 -0400
To: <info@maxframe.com>, "'Anthony Missico, Jr.'" <amissico@Missico.com>
Cc: <www-forms-request@w3.org>, <www-forms@w3.org>
Message-ID: <001801c227d8$bcf27260$0602a8c0@speedy>

Forgive me for intruding in on this but you seen not to be getting the
point...

If you wish to be taken off this list send a blank email to
www-forms-request@w3.org with a subject line of "unsubscribe".

Please stop littering this list with useless information and
argumentative statements and attacks.



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"Life is not a punishment, not a task, but a gift. 
Your only obligation is to enjoy every minute of it."
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-----Original Message-----
From: www-forms-request@w3.org [mailto:www-forms-request@w3.org] On
Behalf Of info@maxframe.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 12:11 AM
To: Anthony Missico, Jr.
Cc: www-forms-request@w3.org; www-forms@w3.org
Subject: Re: REMOVE, REMOVE, REMOVE - XFORMS IS GARBAGE



Anthony,

There is no reason to be polite when this group is handled in such an
utterly stupid way.  The entire XFORMS project reeks of gross stupidity
and
is a pointless waste of time as it is not an industry-standard - or even
vaguely intelligent way to handle data within browsers.  What should be
done
is a data repository with simply direct scripting language.  The entire
approach of XML (eXtraneous Markup Language) is just dead WRONG and is
going
to go nowhere.

I am fed up with watching the computer industry and those involved with
it
move backwards and backwards into a primitive dark age.  The entire
situation with data was figured out on mainframes quite well in the
1960s
and 1970s with real databases that had direct terminal sessions to
manipulate the data.  However, today, all we have is layer after layer
of
useless garbage proliferating around endless GUIs - AND NOTHING
IMPORTANT IS
GETTING DONE.

I have watched these emails for years and I COMPLETELY DISMISS THE
VALIDITY
OF XFORMS AND XML, as they are a huge step backwards in terms of how to
handle data.  You are deluding yourself - and know little about
computing -
if you think otherwise.

Moreover, you all can't even manage the list in a vaguely intelligent
way.
I manage a number of Yahoo Groups sites which makes it very easy to set
email preferences and acts as a central repository for ALL MESSAGES so
people don't have to be deluged with the latest dumb question or
fragment of
half-baked thought, but can look at the whole on a single site and read
what
they wish to read.  Why don't you run this group this way?

It seems like all of the people I've watched and read on the XFORMS list
have a burning passion to reinvent the wheel but do it in a square
shape.
If calling a spade a spade is rude, then so be it.

Please be sure we are removed from this list forthwith.

Best Regards,

Jim R. Benfer Jr., Chairman/CEO
MaxFrame Corporation
www.maxframe.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Missico, Jr." <amissico@Missico.com>
To: <info@maxframe.com>; <www-forms@w3.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 5:05 PM
Subject: RE: REMOVE, REMOVE, REMOVE - XFORMS IS GARBAGE


>
> That is uncalled for. There is no reason to be rude.
>
> If you look at the message headers, you will find instructions on how
to
> unsubscribe.
>
> For instance,
> List-Id: <www-forms.w3.org>
> List-Help: <http://www.w3.org/Mail/>
> List-Unsubscribe:
<mailto:www-forms-request@w3.org?subject=unsubscribe>
>
> Now, if you want to be removed from the list please send a message to
> www-forms-request@w3.org with the subject of unsubscribe. If you are
still
> receiving messages than you need to bring the issue to someone's
attention.
>
> But, don't be rude.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: info@maxframe.com [mailto:info@maxframe.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 4:43 PM
> To: www-forms@w3.org
> Subject: Re: REMOVE, REMOVE, REMOVE - XFORMS IS GARBAGE
>
>
>
> WE HAVE REQUESTED TO BE REMOVED OVER AND OVER AGAIN - PLEASE REMOVE US
> IMMEDIATELY.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Schaefer" <joe+apache@sunstarsys.com>
> To: <www-forms@w3.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 4:26 PM
> Subject: server-side support for XForms
>
>
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> >   I'm currently working on a new version of an HTML form-parsing
> > library (it's an ASF project called libapreq; the project's webpage
> > is one of the links at http://httpd.apache.org/).
> >
> > I'd like to include some support for XForms in the upcoming version
> > of the library, but am struggling with the issue of xml namespaces
> > in the multipart/form-data mediaType.  I've looked at sections 4.4.3
> > of the XForms-1.0 draft, but the example there does not seem to
indicate
> > (to me, anyway) how namespaces will be represented in the form
> > submission data (I'm laboring under the assumption that the
multipart/
> > form-data and text/xml mediaTypes are roughly "interchangeable").
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
> > --
> > Joe Schaefer
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Received on Wednesday, 10 July 2002 02:12:22 GMT

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