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RE: "The special people" - was: www 10 conference (off-topic)

From: Michael Earls <michael@cerkit.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:32:35 -0700
To: "'Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer'" <schnitz@mozquito.com>
Cc: "Www-Forms \(E-mail\)" <www-forms@w3.org>
Message-ID: <000001c0c227$4a13f970$0100a8c0@cerkit.com>
My sincere apologies to the group at large and to the hard-working volunteers of this working group.  My comment about 10 years was an attempt at humor...  a failed one.  

As I have said earlier, the efforts of this working group are an inspiration to me.  I read everything published by each of you concerning XForms.  I look to this working group as a bright light that is a guide to our collective future.

This "joke" was referring to the ancient ways of some big (and small) businesses that choose to wait until a technology has been around for 5 to 10 years before using it. It was not intended to be the blanket statement that it appeared to be.

I am anxious to implement XForms in my systems to replace the outdated HTML forms as soon as possible.  I launched a research project at the shop today to gather information concerning any Java Applet XForms UAs that might be out there.

We have a server-side Web forms processor based on the current XForms working draft in production now and it has proven to be very valuable.

I am definitely secure in the belief that you are all contributing in a positive fashion to our industry.

Once again, I apologize for the sharp tongue.  Thank you again for your hard work and exceptional efforts.

Respectfully yours,

Michael Earls

-----Original Message-----
From: www-forms-request@w3.org [mailto:www-forms-request@w3.org]On
Behalf Of Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 2:07 PM
To: Michael Earls
Cc: www-forms@w3.org
Subject: RE: "The special people" - was: www 10 conference (off-topic)


	<snip>...</snip>
	Let's finish up XForms and watch as it takes 10 years to get rid
of all of
	the User Agents we have today in exchange for the "new" XForms
UA.
	<snip>...</snip>

	I'm taking my hat as XForms co-chair off, because based on this
one sentence I must tell *you* to relax here. I have nothing about the
rest of the email, but such a statement let's me and the other people
think what we are doing here is completely worthless. I think such a
statement is completely counterproductive, it is thinking of the type
that everything is at it is and you cannot change things so you
shouldn't even try to do so. I'm not sure out of which camp you're
coming from, but if more people would think like you, XML and even the
Web itself would have never taken off in the first place. 

	Let me tell you that there will be a myriad ways for XForms to
penetrate the market. The old Netscape/Microsoft desktop browser web
world is long gone, we have a bunch of new devices, markets and players,
all to which XForms is targetted towards. XForms is *not* something
purely intended for Netscape and Microsoft to adopt, but the next
generation of web forms for *all* XML-based applications, the basis of
all interactivity and business on the web, and the first major
improvement to web forms since 1993! This thing will take off big time,
it has already. 

	- Sebastian

	
	There's a lot of work to be done to spend so much time arguing
over elitist
	attitudes about colored paper and special glasses.
	
	My .02.
	
	Michael Earls
	
	-----Original Message-----
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	Behalf Of T. V. Raman
	Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 10:02 AM
	To: Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer
	Cc: Andrea Marchetti; www-forms@w3.org; steven.pemberton@cwi.nl
	Subject: RE: www 10 conference
	
	
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