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Re: vCard RDF merge....

From: Harry Halpin <hhalpin@ibiblio.org>
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 18:05:09 +0100
Message-ID: <b3be92a00907071005u6114cc4ek69334e32813cca44@mail.gmail.com>
To: martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org
Cc: Toby Inkster <tai@g5n.co.uk>, Renato Iannella <renato@nicta.com.au>, Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com>, Brian Suda <brian.suda@gmail.com>, www-archive@w3.org, Peter Mika <pmika@yahoo-inc.com>
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Martin Hepp
(UniBW)<martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> Just to make sure: I understood there is consensus that the domain of
> vcard:adr should be expanded from vcard:vcard to anything that can
> reasonably have an address, e.g. persons, organizations, or locations. Am I
> right? I think we discussed that before, but I cannot find a reference.
>
> BTW, the Yahoo SearchMonkey doc does not specify a domain for vcard:adr
>
> http://developer.yahoo.com/searchmonkey/smguide/vcard-details.html#vcard-adr

Yes, that was the consensus. Hopefully later tonight or tomorrow I'll
try to get around to actually finishing all those actions!

> Best
> Martin
>
> Toby Inkster wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 12:55 +1000, Renato Iannella wrote:
>
>
> 4 - We define mobileTel property but vCard calls this "cell" ?
>
> 5 - We define a mobileEmail and personalEmail and workEmail
> properties, but there is no such semantics in vCard?
>
> 6 - I am not clear on the unlabeledAdr, unlabeledEmail, and
> unlabeledTel properties we define? Are these to capture all the
> "old"
> types in vCard like bbs-tel, parcel-adr etc?
> And, of course, we don't capture these as rdf properties in our
> ontology?
>
> 7 - How to do handle vCard's preferred type? Ie I prefer my workTel
> over my homeTel?
>
>
> A while back I wrote a little RDF vocab that extended the 2006 vCard
> vocab. It introduces a few extra terms which I thought were useful,
> mostly taken from the vCard 4.0 drafts at the time. e.g. a "lang"
> property to indicate languages spoken by the person represented.
>
> One other thing it has though is a more vCard-like way of representing
> telephone numbers, e-mail addresses, etc.
>
> Instead of:
>
> 	_:me a v:VCard ;
> 	     v:fn "Alice Smith" ;
> 	     v:workTel <tel:+44-7700-900123> ;
> 	     v:mobileTel <tel:+44-7700-900123> .
>
> It uses:
>
> 	_:me a v:VCard ;
> 	    v:fn "Alice Smith" ;
> 	    v:tel [
> 		    a vx:Tel ;
> 		    rdf:value <tel:+44-7700-900123> ;
> 		    vx:usage "work" , "mobile"
> 		] .
>
> My primary motivation was to be able to represent the data in the hCard
> microformat in a way more closely related to the type+value structure of
> hCard communications devices.
>
> It's not perfect (it breaks the "range" of the 2006 v:tel, v:email and
> v:label properties; and vx:usage should probably take a non-literal
> value) but perhaps some of the ideas there could be incorporated into
> the merged RDF vCard. In particular it should address all of the points
> above.
>
>
>
> 8 - I assume we don't  wish to support Bag, Seq, Alt anymore.....but
> just support rdf:list?
>
>
> I don't know why we even would want to support rdf:List?
>
> Rather than:
>
> 	<rdf:Description rdf:about="#me">
> 	  <v:note>
> 	    <rdf:Bag>
> 	      <rdf:li>Foo</rdf:li>
> 	      <rdf:li>Bar</rdf:li>
> 	      <rdf:li>Baz</rdf:li>
> 	    </rdf:Bag>
> 	  </v:note>
> 	</rdf:Description>
>
> Just use:
>
> 	<rdf:Description rdf:about="#me">
> 	  <v:note>Foo</v:note>
> 	  <v:note>Bar</v:note>
> 	  <v:note>Baz</v:note>
> 	</rdf:Description>
>
> rdf:List only becomes especially useful when you want to indicate that
> the set of values for a property is a closed set. The only useful
> application I can see for it in vCard is to represent the structured
> name data - i.e. I might want to have an rdf:List of my middle names, so
> that people know exactly how many there are (in my case, one) and in
> what order.
>
>
>
> --
> --------------------------------------------------------------
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> universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen
>
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