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Re: WG comments, Working Drafts, and Last Call -- clarification please?

From: Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 12:33:18 -0700
Cc: Shelley Powers <shelley.just@gmail.com>, www-archive@w3.org, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>, Chris Wilson <Chris.Wilson@microsoft.com>, "Michael(tm) Smith" <mike@w3.org>
Message-id: <830DAC63-30A2-4DE6-82A1-A89C22736B3B@apple.com>
To: Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>

On Aug 6, 2009, at 12:18 PM, Dan Connolly wrote:

> Our positions are close enough that I'm not going
> to bother all of public-html with them...

Fair enough. Mainly I didn't want Shelley or anyone else to get the  
impression that being a WG member to deny them a voice.

>
>> - Last Call is an appropriate time to register Formal Objections,  
>> even
>> from WG members. Technically, Formal Objections don't even really  
>> mean
>> anything before LC.
>
> Perhaps it's a matter of chairing style, but I don't think last
> call is an appropriate time to register formal objections.
> The appropriate time is after chair proposes to close
> an issue and asks "any objections?" and before the chair
> actually announces the outcome of the decision.

I was wrong on this, because as Sam pointed out, Formal Objections  
need to be raised in a timely manner. I disagree with you slightly on  
the order of things though. My understanding is: technically you can  
only Formally Object to a decision, not to a proposal. Thus, while you  
can declare the intent to raise a Formal Objection in advance of a  
decision, you can't actually enter one until the decision is made.

>
>> - It is common and accepted for WG members to comment on a spec in  
>> the
>> course of LC, either because they discover new issues, or because  
>> they
>> bring up something that may have been discussed, but not resolved by
>> Working Group decision.
>
> Except for the new issues, I consider that irregular, for the
> same reason you gave above: decisions can only be reopened based on
> new information. Anything that wasn't resolved by a WG decision on
> a specific issue is resolved in the decision to go to last call.

What I've found to be very common is editorial issues and minor  
technical problems (such as contradictions or dangling references or  
the like) that are not points of deep controversy and can usually be  
disposed without debate.

Regards,
Maciej
Received on Thursday, 6 August 2009 19:34:02 GMT

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