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Re: [w3photo] privacy, copyright and images

From: Timothy Falconer <timothy@immuexa.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 17:01:39 -0500
Message-Id: <10849408-4614-11D8-81C4-000A95A55FEC@immuexa.com>
To: semantic-photolist@unitboy.com

hi folks,

how easy would this be....

while browsing photos from the conference on the website, people can  
either 1) supply their foaf file URL in a web page field, 2) choose the  
"Hide Me" checkbox.  They then click their face (just a point, not a  
region).  The same page would come right back, though now their face  
would either 1) have a hover label with their name (and caption below  
with their name), or 2) their face would be covered by a paper bag  
image or some other concealing image.

This would accomplish two things:

1. allows everyone to annotate
2. allows everyone to opt out

Best of all, this would be less labor intensive for the maintainers.   
It would also allow you to keep photos with multiple people in it.  You  
wouldn't have to pull it just cause one spoilsport was shy.

timothy

On Jan 13, 2004, at 1:16 PM, Libby Miller wrote:

>
> hi all,
>
> re: libby: action libby summarise today's discussion re privacy and
> copyright to the list
> (http://rdfig.xmlhack.com/2004/01/13/2004-01-13.html#1073998330.179271)
>
> I've tried to summarise the section of the meeting today, and make
> reasonable suggestions given these discussions. I have my own opinions
> on this, so feel free to disagree.
>
> Two issues need more discussion:
> - link to or download the photos? (might sidestep some potential legal
> issues)
> - creative commons sampling license:
> http://creativecommons.org/license/sampling - which looks highly
> relevant but would be an additional license.
>
> ------------------------
>
> Discussion starts here:
> http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/discovery/chatlogs/rdfig/2004-01 
> -13.html#T16-22-07
>
> Summary: this area may be a minefield
>
> Suggestions:
> 1. one license for the core set of photos held on server
> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/1.0/
>
> 2. remove any photos from the core collection that people don't wish to
> be there, without quibble, as long as either they created the photo or
> are depicted in it
>
> 3. undertake to correct any errors in the metadata from the core
> collection, and remove identification of people in the metadata if
> requested by them
>
> 4. reserve the right to remove photos and metadata from the core
> collection for any reason (but in practice don't do this unless there's
> a really good reason)
>
> Explanations follow.
>
> ------------------------
> 1. one license for core set of photos held on server
>
> * avoids confusion
> * sidesteps issues with commercial work;
> * to encourage people to add photos.
>
> * We should avoid the possible implication that we are getting people
> to create metadata for our profit.
>
> * Metadata should allow people to contact the owners of photos for
> commercial
>
> * Metadata should also be licensed.
>
> [[
> <GregElin> Okay...non-commercial it is, from the perspective of the
> "core" collection.
> ]]
> http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/discovery/chatlogs/rdfig/2004-01 
> -13.html#T16-25-05
>
> [[
> <Jhendler> Greg - I can't take a random picture of you and sell it
> without your permission (legally) - so I'm thinking of two things --  
> one
> is privacy rights, the other is commercial development
> ]]
> http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/discovery/chatlogs/rdfig/2004-01 
> -13.html#T16-35-21
>
> proposed licence:
> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/1.0/
>
>
> ------------------------
> 2. remove any photos from the core collection that people don't wish to
> be there, without quibble, as long as either they created the photo or
> are depicted in it
>
> [[
> <teefal> three angles here? 1) what's legal, 2) what's friendly, 3)  
> what
> will encourage people to post photos
> ]]
> http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/discovery/chatlogs/rdfig/2004-01 
> -13.html#T16-36-43
>
> * Legal http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/34231.html
> * friendly
> * the logistics of premptively getting their permission are probably  
> too
> difficult
>
>
> ------------------------
> 3. undertake to correct any errors in the metadata from the core
> collection, and remove identification of people in the metadata if
> requested by them
>
> * avoid error propagation
> * see 'friendly' above
> * the logistics of premptively getting their permission are probably  
> too
> difficult
>
> [[
> <GregElin> We could also distinguish between (a) being in a photo and
> (b) being identified in a photo.
> <GregElin> Only identify people who say it is okay to be identified.
> ]]
> http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/discovery/chatlogs/rdfig/2004-01 
> -13.html#T16-26-29
>
> ------------------------
> 4. reserve the right to remove photos and metadata from the core
> collection for any reason (but in practice don't do this unless there's
> a really good reason).
>
> [[
> <GregElin> Are we suggesting, in the first case, that we look at
> submitted photos to remove unflattering? That could be okay. We are
> pursuing an editorial objective: visual history of the W3 conferences.
>
> <mc_> if this is large scale automated, who's adjudicating?
> ]]
> http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/discovery/chatlogs/rdfig/2004-01 
> -13.html#T16-38-28
>
>
> [[
> GregElin> Ben recommended we start small...and we do some editing on  
> the
> photos. We don't just take everything. It could get out of hand, people
> could be wading through lots of too dark photos...
> ]]
> http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/discovery/chatlogs/rdfig/2004-01 
> -13.html#T16-43-45
>
> [[
> <mc_> it takes so much time to annotate a single photo that it seems it
> would be a miracle to be inundated with content
> ]]
> http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/discovery/chatlogs/rdfig/2004-01 
> -13.html#T16-45-07
>
>
> Hope that's useful,
>
> Libby
>
>
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