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RE: INPUT's in Amaya 4.3.2

From: John Russell <ve3ll@rac.ca>
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 10:49:11 -0400
To: Dave J Woolley <david.woolley@bts.co.uk>
CC: www-amaya@w3.org
Message-ID: <3B14D027.24233.21B41B@localhost>

On 30 May 2001, at 11:31, Dave  J Woolley wrote:

> > From:	David A. Cobb [SMTP:superbiskit@home.com]
> > very carefully crafted, canonically correct HTML of whatever version where
> > we know precisely how it is intended to be rendered; say one page for each
http://www.math.ucla.edu/~jimc/html40-test/index.html
is a test suite for html4 that david cobb may be interested in.
> > 
> [DJW:]  
> HTML is not intended to have one true rendering.  Even CSS up
> to CSS2, at least, is intended only to be treated as hints on 
> presentation, but HTML is about document semantics and has 
> very little to do with presentation/GUI rendering.
> 
> In the area of input controls, up to at least CSS2, then 
> expectation is that the controls will be displayed in the
> natural form for the operating system, not in any standard format.
There are many issues clearly defined in the recommendation that
would make Amaya look more closely like other forms if rendered
as the recommendation says. The most important one is SIZE
which sets the input box width in characters. Other issues can 
be identified by using http://www.cgocable.net/~jrussel/formtest.htm
And Amaya is not alone in not adhering to the html4 recommendations
about forms ---  MSIE, Netscape and Opera each fail at something
just not the obvious one of SIZE.  Renderings such as how a 
scroll box looks is not in recommendation as Dave says but 
that  it should display multiple selections when that feature is 
requested is!

> 
> If you look at the PDF version of the HTML specification, it
> was generated from the HTML and is a valid graphical 
> rendering, including the collapsible outline tree; however, 
> it is unlikely to look exactly like the rendering in IE 
> or Mozilla.
> 
> 
> If you want controlled prsentation, use PDF, whose design aim was
> that.
> 
> Unfortunately most "HTML" authors are working on tne false 
> premise that it is some form of page description language.
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