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Re: INPUT's in Amaya 4.3.2

From: Irene Vatton <Irene.Vatton@inrialpes.fr>
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:40:57 +0200
To: "David A. Cobb" <superbiskit@home.com>
Cc: www-amaya@w3.org, Irene.Vatton@inrialpes.fr
Message-Id: <20010530144057.4D61DC@maiana.inrialpes.fr>
> Eager to try out the Annotea, I fired up my new Amaya and cruised over to 
> w3.org.
> Not a happy experience.  I noted in passing that the "menu buttons" at the 
> top of the
> entry page have ugly separations between them using Amaya that aren't there 

This was due to a combination of selectors not supported in Amaya.
It's fixed now (check on the CVS base.

> using
> Mozilla (0.9).  Also, the first clue that <input .. > was going to be a 
> problem was the rather strange look about the SEARCH on that page.  Moz. 
> renders it as a small input with the button to the right; Amaya renders a 
> big input space with the search button kind of awkwardly at the lower left 
> of the input.

That depends on the font sizes and the width of the window.
As you know one of the goal of HTML is to adapt the rendering to the current

> That wasn't enough warning, so I went to register with the database.
> The problem was so much more severe there that I was totally unable to 
> complete the form successfully.  I gave up and came back to it with Moz. to 
> finish the job.

If you used to fill a form by using TAB and ENTER, it didn't work with the 
released version of Amaya. Fortunately it works with the CVS version.
As I see you discovered what Amaya doesn't do that Mozilla does but not yet the
> Then I went in with Amaya and left an annotation on the database input page 
> to the effect of what I'm writing here.
> Annotations are cool, indeed.
> But form layout has been around a long time now.  Is there something that 
> makes it difficult to do right?

A lack of manpower and a lot of things to do.

> But I didn't just post to grinch about Amaya!  This reminded me of a real 
> need -- a whole forest of pages, preferably under w3 control containing 
> very carefully crafted, canonically correct HTML of whatever version where 
> we know precisely how it is intended to be rendered; say one page for each 
> characteristic to be exercised.  Thus, voila! a way to compare browsers 
> where the page content isn't also a variable.
> Comment?
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