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Re: Is Flickr an Edge Case? (was Re: HTML Action Item 54)

From: David Poehlman <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 11:51:52 -0400
Message-ID: <2F308C9D8B3E47B9BF026A40DE98528A@HANDS>
To: <sailesh.panchang@deque.com>, "'Michael A Squillace'" <masquill@us.ibm.com>, <wai-xtech@w3.org>

Your understanding is incorrect and if wcag2 allows this, it is incorrect as 
well.  If it is verbal, it is written and expression can be provided in the 
writing.  I don't know if you have ever seen this or not, but there are 
people who sign songs and get the meaning across quite well with gestures 
and words.  When a score is writtten, it can convey all of this information 
so Why should a huge population be left out.  I don't advocate that this be 
done in alt but it should be done perhaps as a synchronized alternative.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sailesh Panchang" <sailesh.panchang@deque.com>
To: "'Michael A Squillace'" <masquill@us.ibm.com>; <wai-xtech@w3.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 11:51 AM
Subject: RE: Is Flickr an Edge Case? (was Re: HTML Action Item 54)


David,

WCAG 2 says:

". Sensory: If non-text content is primarily intended to create a  specific
sensory experience

, then text alternatives at least provide descriptive identification of the
non-text content."

My understanding is that not all music needs to be captioned even if it
there is verbal audio content.

Sailesh Panchang
Accessibility Services Manager (Web and Software)
Deque Systems Inc. (www.deque.com)
11130 Sunrise Valley Drive, Suite #140,
Reston VA 20191
Phone: 703-225-0380 (ext 105)
E-mail: sailesh.panchang@deque.com

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From: wai-xtech-request@w3.org [mailto:wai-xtech-request@w3.org] On Behalf
Of Michael A Squillace
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 11:20 AM
To: wai-xtech@w3.org
Subject: Re: Is Flickr an Edge Case? (was Re: HTML Action Item 54)




Even instrumental music? What about a song that has no lyrics, a classical
piece for instance? Do you plan to caption those, too? My point is that
music is as inheritly audio as photographs are visual and to render them
accessible to all in any way flies in the face of reasonableness.

--> Mike Squillace
IBM Human Ability and Accessibility Center
Austin, TX

W:512.823.7423
M:512.970.0066

masquill@us.ibm.com
www.ibm.com/able




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Yes, every verbal audio should be captioned or texted.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael A Squillace" <masquill@us.ibm.com>
To: <wai-xtech@w3.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: Is Flickr an Edge Case? (was Re: HTML Action Item 54)


Reposting as not sure msg made it through first time....

I must admit that I'm a little staggered at the amount of conversation
flickr has produced with regard to alt tags. Responding, here, as a
totally blind web content
consumer and not as a member of the IBM Human Ability & Accessibility
Center, you can put all of the alt tags on flickr that you desire - I'm
still not going to visit
it because photos are inheritly visual entities. For the dozen or so
photos that have received thousands of views (and that, presumably,
resemble the news
broadcast rather than the private telephone call), 100 or 150 characters
of alt text is not going to make the photo any more useful to me. Are we
next going to
suggest that all of the songs available on the web need closed caption so
that deaf folks can enjoy them, too?  As someone who is blind, I realized
a long time
ago that photography, driving, and painting are endeavors in which I am
simply not going to engage and I think it detracts from the conversation
about the real
utility of alt to concentrate on what I see as, indeed, an edge case. Of
course, I am only one person and I'm sure that many of my colleagues and
fellow PWDs
will vehemently disagree with me.


--> Mike Squillace
IBM Human Ability and Accessibility Center
Austin, TX

W:512.823.7423
M:512.970.0066

masquill@us.ibm.com
www.ibm.com/able
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