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Re: highlighting the focus

From: David Poehlman <poehlman1@home.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 17:23:55 -0500
Message-ID: <001f01c062f7$e26b4960$2cf60141@mtgmry1.md.home.com>
To: "Ian Jacobs" <ij@w3.org>, "Al Gilman" <asgilman@iamdigex.net>
Cc: "Jon Gunderson" <jongund@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, "Loretta Guarino Reid" <lguarino@Adobe.COM>, <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>, <schwer@us.ibm.com>, <jacobs@w3.org>
I might be incorrect here but it seems to me that for ats, focus in
normal and is an orientation thing.  when there is no focus, we have
to go through extra hoops just to get focus.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Jacobs" <ij@w3.org>
To: "Al Gilman" <asgilman@iamdigex.net>
Cc: "Jon Gunderson" <jongund@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>; "Loretta Guarino Reid"
<lguarino@Adobe.COM>; <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>; <schwer@us.ibm.com>;
<jacobs@w3.org>
Sent: December 09, 2000 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: highlighting the focus


Al Gilman wrote:
>
> >At 05:06 PM 12/6/2000 -0800, Loretta Guarino Reid wrote:
> >>Do the User Agent Guidelines indicate whether the element with the
current
> >>focus must always be highlighted?
> >>
> >>My impression is that focus elements are highlighted when I move
focus to
> >>them via keyboard commands, but if, for instance, I just open an
> >>application, the focus element may not be highlighted.
> >>
> >>As an example, if I open a web page in Internet Explorer, there is
no
> >>indication of the focus element. However, if I start tabbing, each
new
> >>focus element is highlighted.
>
> At 08:31 AM 2000-12-07 -0600, Jon Gunderson wrote:
> >Loretta,
> >The situation you describe would mean the user agent would not
comply to
> >UAAG.  There are also additional checkpoints that relate to styling
and
> >behavior of focus.
> >
>
> AG::
>
> Is this really true?  As I interpret the IE behavior, on opening the
page _no_
> element has the focus and that is why there is no focused element
highlighted.
>
> I would be surprised if this were not consistent with "the standard
model for
> focus in this OS environment" since so much of the OS user interface
is run
> through the IE module for its realization.

I agree with Al, here. I don't think that some element must have focus
at
all times. [Do assistive technology developers assume that some
element
has the focus at all times? If so, why do they make that assumption?]

 - Ian

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