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RE: wording of Checkpoint 7.5

From: Jon Gunderson <jongund@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:30:38 -0600
Message-Id: <4.1.20000110121558.00db3cc0@staff.uiuc.edu>
To: "Denis Anson" <danson@miseri.edu>
Cc: "User Agent Guidelines Emailing List" <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>
Denis,
Elements like title and summary could be rendered by the user agent and the
user agent is required to provide access to all content to conform to the
guidelines.  This does not necessarily mean that TITLE and SUMMARY need to
be made available through rendering.  They could be made available in other
ways like tooltips or context menus.  I think the biggest question for me
is if someone does a search and the information they are searching for is
not rendered, how does the user agent tell them what they have found.  If
the information found has been rendered in can be given a programmatic
selection by the user agent.  If the text match found is the summary of a
table that has not been rendered, how does the user interface indicate that
the found item is in the summary atribute of a table or if there are more
that on table which table?

I think the basic functionality should still be rendered information.  If
group wants to search information that is not rendered, maybe that should
be a different checkpoint.  This later approach may require more skill for
efficient use.

Jon


At 09:25 AM 1/7/00 -0500, Denis Anson wrote:
>I'd like to see the wording expanded to include things like the title
>attribute and summary attribute for tables, which are not, in fact, rendered
>under "normal" situations.  Titles can be rendered when they are pointed to,
>and summaries are not rendered at all, but I sure would want to be able to
>search on them!
>
>How would you find information stored in a title if you can't search on it?
>Just point to everything on the page, and hope it pops up some where?
>
>Denis
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: w3c-wai-ua-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ua-request@w3.org]On
>Behalf Of Gregory J. Rosmaita
>Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 5:48 PM
>To: Jon Gunderson
>Cc: User Agent Guidelines Emailing List
>Subject: Re: wording of Checkpoint 7.5
>
>
>jon suggested:
>
>quote
>Checkpoint 7.5 Allow the user to search for rendered text content, including
>text equivalents rendered in place of or simultaneously with the primary
>content.
>unquote
>
>hmm...  short, concise, and to the point...  i like it...
>
>and, as ian suggested, if the verbiage contained in my proposed note isn't
>already in the techniques document, it should be added to the techniques and
>not the UAGL itself...
>
>gregory.
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Jon Gunderson, Ph.D., ATP
Coordinator of Assistive Communication and Information Technology
Chair, W3C WAI User Agent Working Group
Division of Rehabilitation - Education Services
College of Applied Life Studies
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