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Re: frames and no frames content

From: Elizabeth J. Pyatt <ejp10@psu.edu>
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 11:34:41 -0400
Message-Id: <p06020400beb1102f0d60@[128.118.8.31]>
To: Stuart Smith <Stuart.M.Smith@manchester.ac.uk>
Cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org

For the record, I did not mean to imply I  was recommending a "You 
need a Frames capable browser" as a message.

The navigation in the no-frames version would be equivalent to that 
provided in the navigation frame.  Most frames are serving as 
navigation in my experience.

When frames are not serving as navigation, you would need another 
strategy altogether to provide equivalent functionality (whatever 
that may be).

Cheers

Elizabeth

>Hi in the UK at least this would extend past standards alone and 
>into the purpose of the site. If it is an educational site then the 
>question would be raised how do those who can't use frames because 
>of accessibility issues access the materials? If there is a straight 
>forward accessible alternative (and it doesn't necessarily have to 
>be web based) then that will probably be fine. However, simply 
>telling the user they need frames would not be acceptable because 
>frames might not viable for them, essentailly cut them off from the 
>educational experience. I'm not a lawyer but I thought Section 508 
>had similar requirements?
>
>Cheers
>
>Stu
>
>Elizabeth J. Pyatt wrote:
>
>>
>>If frames are used for navigation, I generally recommend the 
>>no-frames version include key navigational links or a link to a 
>>sitemap. That way users can navigate the site. I also recommend 
>>placing minimal navigation within content pages because people may 
>>choose to exit frames mode (I know I do).
>>
>>If the frames are used for other purposes, that's obviously another 
>>issue. I would research "no script" strategies since they might 
>>have better ideas.
>>
>>Hope this helps
>>
>>Elizabeth
>>
>>>I would like to canvass opinions on the requirement and use of 
>>>noframes content. I have searched the archives but couldn't find 
>>>any specific details.
>>>
>>>If a section of a site (e.g an form, calculator etc) requires the 
>>>use of frames due to the way it has been built, I understand the 
>>>available markup to make the frameset meet W3C guidelines and that 
>>>noframes content should included.
>>>
>>>My question is: where frames are unavoidable due to technologies 
>>>used, infrastructure etc, is it acceptable that the noframes 
>>>content is merely an explanation that frames is required. Checking 
>>>the W3C guidelines it merely states to use noframes content but 
>>>doesnt indicate if this must be a version of the same 
>>>content/functionality that doesnt rely on frames.


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