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RE: "Blind for a Day" - visibility: hidden vs none

From: Stephani Roberts Lincoln <stephani@MIT.EDU>
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 13:37:24 -0400
Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20040518132234.00b0ac78@hesiod>
To: "Jim Thatcher" <jim@jimthatcher.com>, w3c-wai-ig@w3.org

Hi Jim,

Thanks for testing this. So, as far you know, is there a safe way to hide 
something visually in CSS but have it visible to a screen reader? We have a 
number of web applications that are for financial folks here at MIT and the 
developers are   always looking for a clever way to give cues to screen 
reader users that may not be necessary for sighted users, mainly because 
the extra information creates additional "noise" in these apps -- many of 
which are already jam packed with information.

thanks,
steph

At 11:25 AM 5/18/2004 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi Steph,
>
>I am using JAWS 4.51 and for me visibility:hidden hides the text from JAWS.
>Visibility:none is not valid style but display:none is. Display:none hides
>the text from JAWS for me. Both Visibility:hidden and display:none hide the
>text from both Window-Eyes (4.5) and HPR (3.02) as well. My test file is
>http://jimthatcher.com/test/visibility.htm. Bottom line, both
>visibility:hidden and display:none hide JAWS, Window-Eyes, and HPR on my
>machine.
>
>Jim
>Accessibility, What Not to do: http://jimthatcher.com/whatnot.htm.
>Web Accessibility Tutorial: http://jimthatcher.com/webcourse1.htm.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org] On Behalf
>Of Stephani Roberts Lincoln
>Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 10:52 AM
>To: 'WAI-IG'
>Subject: RE: "Blind for a Day" - visibility: hidden vs none
>
>
>Hi,
>
>Related to some comments here and screen readers response to visibility:
>none. With JAWS visibility:hidden works to hide text from the browser
>display while the screen reader picks up the text and voices it (not true
>of visibility:none). Can anyone tell me if this true for IBM HPR and Window
>Eyes?
>
>thanks,
>Steph
>
>
>At 07:11 PM 5/17/2004 -0500, Jim Thatcher wrote:
>
> >Joe,
> >
> >It has nothing to do with verbosity settings. His recommendations are
> >absolutely right on; every one. He did mention putting main content near
>the
> >top because "the thing I hated the most was having to blast past five
> >hundred links in a sidebar in order to get to the actual content." I am
> >impressed with how well this guy understood the problems of listening to
>web
> >content. Very unusual.
> >
> >Jim
> >Accessibility, What Not to do: http://jimthatcher.com/whatnot.htm.
> >Web Accessibility Tutorial: http://jimthatcher.com/webcourse1.htm.
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org] On
>Behalf
> >Of Joe Clark
> >Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 1:36 PM
> >To: WAI-IG
> >Subject: "Blind for a Day"
> >
> >
> >Bloggeur tries out IBM Home Page Reader and shares tips. He should
> >learn about verbosity settings, though.
> >
> ><http://www.mojombo.com/archives/000034.html>
> >--
> >
> >      Joe Clark | joeclark@joeclark.org | <http://joeclark.org/access/>
> >      Author, _Building Accessible Websites_ | <http://joeclark.org/book/>
> >      Expect criticism if you top-post
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