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RE: "Blind for a Day" - visibility: hidden vs none

From: Jim Thatcher <jim@jimthatcher.com>
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 11:25:56 -0500
To: "'Stephani Roberts Lincoln'" <stephani@MIT.EDU>, "'WAI-IG'" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Message-ID: <001501c43cf4$d901b0f0$6501a8c0@JTCOM2400>

Hi Steph,

I am using JAWS 4.51 and for me visibility:hidden hides the text from JAWS.
Visibility:none is not valid style but display:none is. Display:none hides
the text from JAWS for me. Both Visibility:hidden and display:none hide the
text from both Window-Eyes (4.5) and HPR (3.02) as well. My test file is
http://jimthatcher.com/test/visibility.htm. Bottom line, both
visibility:hidden and display:none hide JAWS, Window-Eyes, and HPR on my

Accessibility, What Not to do: http://jimthatcher.com/whatnot.htm.
Web Accessibility Tutorial: http://jimthatcher.com/webcourse1.htm.

-----Original Message-----
From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org] On Behalf
Of Stephani Roberts Lincoln
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 10:52 AM
To: 'WAI-IG'
Subject: RE: "Blind for a Day" - visibility: hidden vs none


Related to some comments here and screen readers response to visibility: 
none. With JAWS visibility:hidden works to hide text from the browser 
display while the screen reader picks up the text and voices it (not true 
of visibility:none). Can anyone tell me if this true for IBM HPR and Window 


At 07:11 PM 5/17/2004 -0500, Jim Thatcher wrote:

>It has nothing to do with verbosity settings. His recommendations are
>absolutely right on; every one. He did mention putting main content near
>top because "the thing I hated the most was having to blast past five
>hundred links in a sidebar in order to get to the actual content." I am
>impressed with how well this guy understood the problems of listening to
>content. Very unusual.
>Accessibility, What Not to do: http://jimthatcher.com/whatnot.htm.
>Web Accessibility Tutorial: http://jimthatcher.com/webcourse1.htm.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org] On
>Of Joe Clark
>Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 1:36 PM
>Subject: "Blind for a Day"
>Bloggeur tries out IBM Home Page Reader and shares tips. He should
>learn about verbosity settings, though.
>      Joe Clark | joeclark@joeclark.org | <http://joeclark.org/access/>
>      Author, _Building Accessible Websites_ | <http://joeclark.org/book/>
>      Expect criticism if you top-post
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