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Re: The Age (AU) Technology Not Supporting Old Browsers

From: David Woolley <david@djwhome.demon.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 07:41:11 +0100 (BST)
Message-Id: <200404230641.i3N6fBx03629@djwhome.demon.co.uk>
To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org

> Lots of users aren't even aware of the print version page that comes with
> most major CMS's.  They just print everything regardless from the UI they

That's probably because its only accessed by a small icon that is
hidden out of the way.  Also, from my point of view, it means another
round of security warnings to cancel.

For any tolerably recent browser, the better solution is to use a print
media style sheet, as you suggest, so any special print version should
be a fallback.  Also, my main annoyance with printing pages without print
versions is that they often have fixed width layouts that are wider than
the printer (one can sometimes get around this by doing print-selected
on the real content, but that doesn't always work).  Anything that is
not directly printable because of its width is likely to not be usable
on older machines or unusual display configurations.

(Some people may do this for intellectual property protection, but I 
think that is mainly because designers don't think anyone might want
to print something to read away from the computer.)

I suspect one reason for hiding the print option is that the print
version is often easier to read than the display version (designer
doesn't get to show off and advertising is suppressed).

> are in.  A friend use to print their emails straight from the Yahoo screen,
> until I showed her that there was a way to get a print version, but users
> would be better served with proper use of print.css (as would Yahoo and all
> the rest of them), which is better and more efficient design, easy to use
> and enables the UI to be device independent.
> 
> Be great if you implement printing URLs in the print version too
> 
>  #content a:link:after, #content a:visited:after {
>    content: " (" attr(href) ") ";
>    font-size: 90%;
>    }
> reference:
> http://www.alistapart.com/articles/goingtoprint/Geoff-----Original
> Message-----
>   From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org]On
> Behalf Of Peter Ottery
>   Sent: Friday, 23 April 2004 1:39 PM
>   To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
>   Subject: RE: The Age (AU) Technology Not Supporting Old Browsers
> 
> 
>   Geoff wrote>> It would be great to also see the implementation of a well
> designed print.css on news sites.
> 
>   After some initial teething probs on launch (and still some probs waiting
> to be address with the index and sub index of theage.com.au site not calling
> the print.css properly) all newly published articles on the age like this
> one...
> 
>   http://theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/22/1082616268956.html
> 
>   ...do have a print stylesheet in place currently. we've hidden ads, main
> navigation, and the right column from the print version... any thoughts on
> the execution there appreciated
> 
>   pete
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>   size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
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>   [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Peter=20
>   Ottery<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, 23 April 2004 1:39 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
>   w3c-wai-ig@w3.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: The Age (AU) Technology Not=20
>   Supporting Old Browsers<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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