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Re: Frames and accessibility: opinions please

From: Peter Verhoeven <pav@oce.nl>
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 07:47:11 +0200
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To: Access Systems <accessys@smart.net>
Cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org

At 10:02 25-04-2002 -0400, Access Systems wrote:
>On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Peter Verhoeven wrote:
> > This kind of structures are highly inaccessible for visually impaired 
> users
> > using a screen magnifier or screen reader.
>well Lynx is for the screen reader to use
Sorry, but most users of screen readers and magnifiers use Internet Explorer?

> > Regards Peter Verhoeven
> > Internet : http://www.magnifiers.org (The Screen Magnifiers Homepage)
>well this worked far worse and there were a lot of links that were not
>able to be accessed.
> > > > To get something that looks like frames is not that hard probably 
> but is it
> > > > as easy as it is with frames to have a standard header and side 
> navigation
> > > > and also allow users to include their own content in the main frame.
> > >
> > >   I think we need to give consideration to two separate issues here. 
> It is
> > >   quite easy, a full example is provided in the specification, to 
> create a
> > >   layout that looks and behaves like a framed one by using CSS 2.
> > >
> > >   That, however, is a purely visual point. Including 'their own' 
> content in
> > >   the 'main frame' is another - but there are various methods of 
> achieving
>what is the fascination with frames anyway???
>OK I've never (I don't think) have actually seen a frames site but what
>does frames do that can't be done easier and more accessibly with other
>methods of construction???
>what I guess I'm missing is, why is it so dern hard to have every site be
>able to degrade to plain text???
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