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Re: Frames and accessibility: opinions please

From: Access Systems <accessys@smart.net>
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:02:54 -0400 (EDT)
To: Peter Verhoeven <pav@oce.nl>
cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0204260859230.31219-100000@smarty.smart.net>
On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, Peter Verhoeven wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> At 10:02 25-04-2002 -0400, Access Systems wrote:
> >On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, Peter Verhoeven wrote:
> >
> > > This kind of structures are highly inaccessible for visually impaired 
> > users
> > > using a screen magnifier or screen reader.
> >
> >well Lynx is for the screen reader to use
> Sorry, but most users of screen readers and magnifiers use Internet Explorer?

ACCESS isn't for "most" users it is for ALL users who need or want to use
it.
   by percentage far more people use Linux, Mac, BSD, Unix and other
operating systems. than there are by % wheelchair users, so why should
there be ramps, or sign language interperters, MOST people don't need
those things.

just because one predatory businessman believes his system is the only
system in the world does not make it so!

Bob

> 
> > > Regards Peter Verhoeven
> > > Internet : http://www.magnifiers.org (The Screen Magnifiers Homepage)
> >
> >well this worked far worse and there were a lot of links that were not
> >able to be accessed.
> >
> > > > > To get something that looks like frames is not that hard probably 
> > but is it
> > > > > as easy as it is with frames to have a standard header and side 
> > navigation
> > > > > and also allow users to include their own content in the main frame.
> > > >
> > > >   I think we need to give consideration to two separate issues here. 
> > It is
> > > >   quite easy, a full example is provided in the specification, to 
> > create a
> > > >   layout that looks and behaves like a framed one by using CSS 2.
> > > >
> > > >   That, however, is a purely visual point. Including 'their own' 
> > content in
> > > >   the 'main frame' is another - but there are various methods of 
> > achieving
> >
> >what is the fascination with frames anyway???
> >
> >OK I've never (I don't think) have actually seen a frames site but what
> >does frames do that can't be done easier and more accessibly with other
> >methods of construction???
> >
> >what I guess I'm missing is, why is it so dern hard to have every site be
> >able to degrade to plain text???
> >
> >Bob
> >
> >
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