RE: Fresh start? Re: Minimal Browser Capabilities

On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, Harry Woodorw wrote:

> v2.83 (win32)downloaded s days ago allways connects on startup to

well I don't run Windoze and don't even have a copy since 3.1

> lynx.browser.org it then allows you to connect to other sites.

you can change that.  my copy doesn't even have a default.  it doesn't go
anywhere but my ISP's home page

> However....as I found out when I connected to my university site which
> allows net access to our intranet and other university sites in WA but
> without opening the gateway and paying for access blocks sites ouside PARMET
> it attempts to connect to lynx.browser.org and then reports cannot connect
> then closes.
> With the gateway paid for it works.
> 
> Your old version may not do this but this does. If you dont believe me
> download it yourself and try.

try going to the set up page and change the default

Bob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Access Systems [mailto:accessys@smart.net]
> Sent: Friday, 28 December 2001 10:21 PM
> To: Harry Woodorw
> Cc: Vadim Plessky; Jim Ley; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Subject: RE: Fresh start? Re: Minimal Browser Capabilities
> 
> 
> On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, Harry Woodorw wrote:
> 
> > I take one free browser on each platform meaning that at least one browser
> > is available free that supports that platform that conforms to WAI
> > standards.  I do not wholy agree with this as I am not quite sure whether
> it
> > really has to be free or reasonably available in comparrison with the cost
> > of the hardware and network costs.
> 
> well since we are also talking about many places in the world where they
> are using discarded and free hand me down computers, it would mean
> "FREE" as in not one plug nickle cost to the end user.
> 
> > I would consider that if at least one readilly available for each major
> > platform ( I do not include people trying to surf the internet on an
> amstrad
> 
> define "Major"  micro$haft defines it as WinXP and nothing else.
> 
> > cpm machine etc) which supports access keys,expresses all output in a form
> > suitible for basic screen readers and supports published grammars and has
> > been available for at least say one year in the case of free browsers and
> > works with screen readers say 4 years old we may have a situation that the
> > platform is accessible.
> 
> you must be loaded in money, have you priced a some screen readers
> lately??
> 
> > I define platform as "Intel pentium 1 + IBM compattible comuter, OR  Mac
> > hardware newer than say 4 years.  OR Net TV based hardware.
> 
> far too new and "advanced" to be considered a baseline for a "WORLD" wide
> web.   visually impaired folks in the Sudan, or wherever also need access
> 
> > I would not count say the AOL browser as being a platform but a browser
> that
> 
> unfortunately AOL is the largest internet service (sort of) provider
> 
> > may or may not count towards being a readily available browser depending
> on
> > its support of features mentioned above.
> 
> it must be included
> 
> > I do not count accessible such browsers such as Lynx which if it cannot
> > connect to it's home page on startup stops working. or count Opera as free
> 
> ????? huh???  I use Lynx in all sorts of places and it is never even
> connected unless I tell it to, and have used it on dial up lap top
> connections.
> 
> > when it requires either payment or the download of additional advertising
> > messages.
> 
> some (many) people will accept the advertising to get access, as long as
> it renders properly or does not crash the screen reader (yahoo has pulled
> off accessible advertising, darn it)
> 
> > The browser must also self install with no special configuration needed by
> > the user.
> 
> not sure what you mean here, self install as in "it's loaded in a OS
> bundle" or if it is in an RPM and you execute it, or it has to be unzipped
> and then manually installed
> 
> > THe user should not have to swap between browsers in order to navigat
> > diferent types of sites.
> 
> true
> 
> I don't think a lot of people on these committees realize what many folks
> with disabilities are actually operating with, even in this
> country.  we're talking folks who may live on the less than $500 a month
> from SSDI and paying the rent, phone and food bills consume most of it.
> 
> and in other countries as little as $5 a month.
> 
> BUT even on these budgets some internet access is still possible, but it
> sure isn't a pentium anything.  I know folks who are trying to get enough
> memory to install windows 3.1 but are on the internet and it is their only
> source of outside information,  we cannot disenfrancise these folks and
> then call it "access"
> 
> The whole world cannot upgrade twice a year!
> 
>   one of the advantages of Lynx is that it will run on dang near anything!
> 
> I recently logged on with lynx from an old Victor 9000, with an 8086, dial
> up modem, and DOS 3.1 and it worked, the internet software was COMit, and
> it was a UNIX link to the web.    the result was nothing fancy but it did
> get information from sites that are considered accessible.  slow, yup it
> was a 1200 baud modem, you sure don't want graffics at 1200 baud!!!
> 
>  now I am not saying this should be a minimum standard but I am saying
> that there is a lot to be said for the versatility of lynx!
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> 
>  >
> > Harry Woodrow
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org]On
> > Behalf Of Vadim Plessky
> > Sent: Friday, 28 December 2001 9:55 PM
> > To: Jim Ley; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> > Subject: Re: Fresh start? Re: Minimal Browser Capabilities
> >
> >
> > On Friday 28 December 2001 01:29, Jim Ley wrote:
> > |    "Charles McCathieNevile"
> > |   > available in one free browser for each platform? Or does it need to
> be
> > |   > avalable in IE (which is not a multi-platform browser - it is
> > available
> > |   on two platforms and the versions are effectively different pieces of
> > |   software)?
> > |
> > |   > Or does it need to be available for at least two years?
> > |
> > |   I believe it's available on 4 platforms (Win32, Mac,Solaris, and
> > | PocketPC) but it's also 4 seperate browsers with an entire different
> > | codebase (unlike NN, or Mozilla) which share only a name.
> >
> > IE for PocketPC / Windows CE is, in fact, MS IE 4.0.
> > There were rumors that MS will update it [Pocket IE] to MS IE 5.0, but
> AFAIK
> > this hsan't happened yet.
> > Anyway, as Win CE PDA's do not have Ethernet or Radio-Ethernet
> connectivity
> > built-in, I doubt they can be counted as a Platform.
> >
> > And I can add to Jim's list another 1.5 platforms.
> > 1) WebTV - which is also based on MS technologies
> > 2) AOL browser. AOL (still) uses MS IE codebase (some kind of OEM version
> of
> > MS IE), but some web marketers treat it as a separate browser.
> > So my opinion is that AOL browser should account for 0.5 of "platform" :-)
> >
> > |
> > |   Jim.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Vadim Plessky
> > http://kde2.newmail.ru  (English)
> > 33 Window Decorations and 6 Widget Styles for KDE
> > http://kde2.newmail.ru/kde_themes.html
> > KDE mini-Themes
> > http://kde2.newmail.ru/themes/
> >
> 
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