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Re: Minimal Browser Capabilities

From: Tina Marie Holmboe <tina@elfi.elfi.org>
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 15:10:45 +0100
Message-ID: <20011228151045.A12783@elfi.elfi.org>
To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
On Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 01:05:29PM +0000, Vadim Plessky wrote:

> There is such a thing as "expected behavior" for rendering of HTML4.
> It's mostly based on Netscape 4.x rendering and MS IE rendering.

  Indeed there is - but what that expected behaviour is depends on who
  you are, what you have used in the past, and a whole range of other
  issues - including your physical and/or mental disabilities or

> |     HTML 4 is, however, rendered in different ways in different browsers,
> | and that rendering can be influence (suggested) by CSS. This said, CSS is
> | not in any way fundamental to HTML, nor a natural part of browser design.
> But it's part of Konqueror, MS IE, Mozilla/Netscape6, Opera.

  It is also part of Amaya, Galeon, and a range of other browsers. Even
  Lynx has support for what they call 'Lynx Style Sheets', and one can
  hope these will become compatible with CSS soon.

> And I can add to this that wget doesn't have CSS as well. :-)

  Nor does telnet, but you can still get at the content if it is properly

> Do you have something to proove your statement?

  I'm sorry ... which statement ?

> |     They allready do. The Adobe SVG viewer is bundled with MS IE 6, and
> |     since SVG plugins are now also available for Mozilla there is no real
> |     reason to not use it.
> I have MS IE6 in Windows, and there is no SVG plugin bundled with IE6.
> (I installed in separately, though)

  My choice of words were unfortunate - Adobe has an SVG plugin that works
  with IE 6; strike 'bundled'.

> Mozilla doesn't have Adobe SVG plugin bundled, and it just can't be bundled 
> with Mozilla, as Adobe plugin doesn't have open-source license, and there are 
> no sources available for this plugin.
> You are taking wrong assumptions here.

  I'm - again - sorry, but I don't understand you. I never claimed that
  Mozilla came with, or could come with, Adobe's SVG plugin. There is,
  however, A SVG plugin available FOR Mozilla. See also


  for more information.

> I mean: it's up to browser not to render broken content.

  A 'minimum requirements' browser should allow access to the content; and
  not break it. That remains my opinion. 

 - Tina Holmboe 
Received on Friday, 28 December 2001 09:10:47 UTC

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