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Re: 10.4 Re: Checkpoints 10.4 and 10.5

From: Aaron Smith <aaron@gwmicro.com>
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:15:27 -0500
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To: Laurie Davis-Covin <ldavisco@nist.gov>
Cc: "Steven McCaffrey" <SMCCAFFR@MAIL.NYSED.GOV>, <charles@w3.org>, <poehlman1@home.com>, <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>, <graham_oliver@yahoo.com>, mike@gwmicro.com
No problem. We'll learn together.

At 03:17 PM 5/31/2001 -0400, Laurie Davis-Covin wrote:
>Sorry, Aaron, just got a little carried away. I'm learning, too.
>At 02:03 PM 5/31/01 -0500, Aaron Smith wrote:
>>I don't want to get this off topic, but we simply recommend a frames 
>>supporting browser, although our page does read fine in Lynx. The pixels 
>>can be resized in IE when the proper accessibility options are 
>>implemented (ie. "Ignore font size specified on Web pages").
>>One of the main reasons that I joined this list to was learn more about 
>>what we, as an Adaptive Technology Company, can do to make our site even 
>>more accessible, not to be bashed because of our current design.
>>At 02:22 PM 5/31/2001 -0400, Laurie Davis-Covin wrote:
>>>excuse me, but I have to jump in here.  I just viewed that site with 
>>>Lynx. GWMicro tells its users (David knows this) that because the site 
>>>is designed with frames, it's recommended that IE be used, AND a 
>>>resolution of 800x600. And, they are using pixels; can't re-size the 
>>>text.  And, there's more...   I apologize for not following the 
>>>'string'. Thank you.
>>>At 10:53 AM 5/31/01 -0500, Aaron Smith wrote:
>>>>Has anyone reviewed the results with Window-Eyes? (http://www.gwmicro.com)
>>>>At 11:15 AM 5/31/2001 -0400, Steven McCaffrey wrote:
>>>>>Hello Charles:
>>>>>      Good question.  I don't want to generalize, so let me just give 
>>>>> an example that does work.  The example in section 11.2 of the
>>>>>HTML Techniques for Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 1.0 works 
>>>>>fine.  I hear
>>>>>"First name colon edit"
>>>>>then I hit tab and hear:
>>>>>"Last name colon edit"
>>>>>which is fine.
>>>>>The snipet for the first name is:
>>>>>    <LABEL for="firstname">First name: </LABEL>
>>>>>    <INPUT type="text" id="firstname" tabindex="1">
>>>>>Note my comments above are not about grouping form controls which is 
>>>>>the main point of 11.2.  I am just commenting on the label element.
>>>>> >>> Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org> 05/31/01 09:50AM >>>
>>>>>If they have labels (using the label element) does this improve things?
>>>>>Charles McCN
>>>>>On Thu, 31 May 2001, Steven McCaffrey wrote:
>>>>>   Hi Charles:
>>>>>        I'm using JFW 3.31.  I will just hear "edit".
>>>>>   Steve
>>>>>   >>> Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org> 05/31/01 08:43AM >>>
>>>>>   Thanks Steven, Dave.
>>>>>   Can you please explain what software you're using, and what happens?
>>>>>   cheers
>>>>>   Chaals
>>>>>   On Thu, 31 May 2001, Steven McCaffrey wrote:
>>>>>     Hello:
>>>>>          I agree with David in that it is still an issue.  The 
>>>>> consequence is
>>>>>     that I will hear only "Edit" but will not know what type of 
>>>>> information is requested.
>>>>>     Steve McCaffrey
>>>>>     Information Technology Services
>>>>>     NYSED
>>>>>     >>> "David Poehlman" <poehlman1@home.com> 05/31/01 07:49AM >>>
>>>>>     it is still an issue although many have solved it.  even though 
>>>>> you have
>>>>>     to rub the text out, it is best to have something telling you 
>>>>> where to
>>>>>     write because some renderings still confuse labels with edit boxes.
>>>>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>   ...
>>>>>     the rationale for this one was that there were assistive 
>>>>> technology and
>>>>>     browser combinations that would skip over empty form controls. I 
>>>>> am not
>>>>>     certain, but I believe that this is no longer an issue. I will 
>>>>> ask the
>>>>>     Web Content Accessibility Guidelines group to address this 
>>>>> question as
>>>>>     fast as possible.
>>>>>Charles McCathieNevile    http://www.w3.org/People/Charles  phone: +61 
>>>>>409 134 136
>>>>>W3C Web Accessibility Initiative     http://www.w3.org/WAI    fax: +1 
>>>>>617 258 5999
>>>>>Location: 21 Mitchell street FOOTSCRAY Vic 3011, Australia
>>>>>(or W3C INRIA, Route des Lucioles, BP 93, 06902 Sophia Antipolis 
>>>>>Cedex, France)
>>>>Aaron Smith
>>>>GW Micro
>>>>Phone: 219/489-3671
>>>>Fax: 219/489-2608
>>>>WWW: http://www.gwmicro.com
>>>>FTP: ftp://ftp.gwmicro.com
>>>>Technical Support & Web Development
>>Aaron Smith
>>GW Micro
>>Phone: 219/489-3671
>>Fax: 219/489-2608
>>WWW: http://www.gwmicro.com
>>FTP: ftp://ftp.gwmicro.com
>>Technical Support & Web Development

Aaron Smith
GW Micro
Phone: 219/489-3671
Fax: 219/489-2608
WWW: http://www.gwmicro.com
FTP: ftp://ftp.gwmicro.com
Technical Support & Web Development
Received on Thursday, 31 May 2001 15:15:44 GMT

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