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RE: Tool Tip behavior

From: <thatch@us.ibm.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 15:52:31 -0600
To: "Gregory J. Rosmaita" <unagi69@concentric.net>
cc: "Bruce Bailey" <bbailey@clark.net>, WAI Interest Group Emailing List <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Message-ID: <8525688D.0078CEE8.00@d54mta08.raleigh.ibm.com>

For the record, HPR speaks and tooltips in Netscape 4.5 and IE 5 all use
the alt-text, not title, in the Gregory's example below.

Jim Thatcher
IBM Accessibility Center
HPR Quick Help: http://www.austin.ibm.com/sns/quickreplace.html

"Gregory J. Rosmaita" <unagi69@concentric.net> on 02/22/2000 02:26:15 PM

To:   "Bruce Bailey" <bbailey@clark.net>
cc:   WAI Interest Group Emailing List <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Subject:  RE: Tool Tip behavior

aloha, bruce!

<a href="http://www.mdtap.org/"
         title="Maryland Technology Assistance Project"><img
         alt="Jump to MD TAP."
         border="0" width="88" height="31"></a>

JFW 3.5 (in conjunction with MSIE 5.01) reads the TITLE defined for the
buttons, and not the ALT text, so that when i tab-to the tap-logo button, i

Maryland Technology Assistance Project

but the document source reveals that the ALT text is defined as "Jump to MD
TAP", which i personally find less informative than the TITLE defined for
the link...

don't have sighted assistance at hand to tell you the ToolTip behavior,


At 02:15 PM 2/22/00 -0500, Bruce wrote:
>Dear Gregory <span lang="la">et <abbr title="alia">al.</abbr></span> :)
>I recognize that Tool Tip behavior ALT vs TITLE is an old question.  For
>example, see <acronym title="Was not that funny the first time, knock it
>I am glad to hear you say that IE is following our (?) recommended
>of using TITLE over ALT.  This IS how it works for me with IE 4.5 and a
>Does this means that one could "defeat tooltips" by using code like:
><IMG SRC="foo.gif" ALT="Foo U!" TITLE=""> ?
>I am NOT getting this behavior out of IE 5 under Windows 95.  I am ONLY
>getting ALT as the tool tip.  Could someone speculate if there is trouble
>with my browser configuration or with my code?  Did IE change behavior
>between ver 4 and 5?  The page I am testing with is my own home page at
>Thank you.
>-- Bruce
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gregory J. Rosmaita [mailto:unagi69@concentric.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 12:21 PM
> > To: Bruce Bailey
> > Cc: WAI Interest Group Emailing List
> > Subject: Re: Tool Tip behavior (was RE: About ABBR)
> >
> >
> > aloha, bruce!
> >
> > in the PC environment, i know from testing with sighted and low-vision
> > users that TITLE takes precedence over ALT as a ToolTip when both are
> > defined for a graphical hyperlink...  when one mouses over a
> > hyperlink for
> > which a TITLE has been defined, that, too, is exposed as a
> > ToolTip in MSIE
> > 4x and 5x
> >
> > JFW 3.5 (the screen-reader produced by henter-joyce, http://www.hj.com/
> > allows one to choose whether one wants the hyperlink text spoken,
> > the TITLE
> > or ALT (with TITLE taking precedence over ALT), or whichever is
> >
> > the default setting, as described in:
> > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000JanMar/0123.html
> > is "speak TITLE or ALT"
> >
> > the removal of ALT text from a site because of ToolTip action,
> > however, is
> > indefensible, especially since the decision was apparently taken
> > based on a
> > browser-specific implementation slash exposition...
> >
> > gregory.

He that lives on Hope, dies farting
      -- Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1763
Gregory J. Rosmaita <unagi69@concentric.net>
    WebMaster and Minister of Propaganda, VICUG NYC
Received on Tuesday, 22 February 2000 16:59:51 UTC

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