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Re: Frames [Re: ADA Applies to Web]

From: Richard Premack <richardp@akamail.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 23:02:36 -0500
Message-Id: <200002150437.UAA20321@vshost.net>
To: "Patrick Burke" <burke@ucla.edu>, "Gregory J. Rosmaita" <unagi69@concentric.net>
Cc: "WAI Interest Group Emailing List" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Hi All.

I find this thread on accessibility of FRAMES very interesting as a
user-agent developer.  We have just recently enhanced our product, a
telephone-based browser, to support frames, but have been disappointed by
the marginal increase in accessibility.  We have observed as Martin
McCormick, that many FRAMES are either labeled poorly or not at all.  I
have yet to run into a site that has anything in the NOFRAMES section other
than a "raspberry" (sorry, but you lose) or a link to upgrade.  To me, this
is the height of laziness in web design -- hard is it to throw your main
index link and perhaps a few more in between two tags?

We currently support a 'deep link', that may be stored for later sessions,
but someone may not get that far if they can't even navigate the initial
FRAMESET properly.  We would be happy to modify our browser with either a
setting that turns off frames or perhaps even better, chooses the NOFRAMES
option automatically if available -- if, we thought there was any NOFRAMES
content out there.  Does anyone know of a site that actually implements


Richard Premack

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From: Gregory J. Rosmaita <unagi69@concentric.net>
To: Patrick Burke <burke@ucla.edu>
Cc: WAI Interest Group Emailing List <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Subject: Re: Frames [Re: ADA Applies to Web]
Date: Monday, February 14, 2000 10:16 AM

aloha, patrick!

you asked:

As a semi-tangent, is there a way to force IE or Netscape to display a
NOFRAMES section of a site?

no, as far as i am aware, the only GUI browser that will allow you turn off

support for frames, so as to expose the content of the NOFRAMES is Opera-- 
i'd recommend you download a copy from:

and try it....

you also asked:

I'm asking out of theoretical curiosity. If someone designed a functional 
NOFRAMES section conveying all the information of the frames page, would an

IE/Nets user be stuck with the framey version?

unfortunately, the way things stand today, the IE or NS user would have no 
choice but to use the FRAMESET


He that lives on Hope, dies farting
      -- Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1763
Gregory J. Rosmaita <unagi69@concentric.net>
    WebMaster and Minister of Propaganda, VICUG NYC
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