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Re: Some questions about data tables

From: Leonard R. Kasday <kasday@acm.org>
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 12:09:11 -0500
Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000104120722.00cc52d0@pop3.concentric.net>
To: "Steven McCaffrey" <smccaffr@MAIL.NYSED.GOV>, <janet@dunshelt1.freeserve.co.uk>, <charles@w3.org>
Cc: <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Good point about difference between headings and cell coordinates.   We 
would of course want to read the headings in the top row and left column, 
not merely the cell coordinates A1 B1 etc.

Len

At 11:37 AM 1/4/00 -0500, Steven McCaffrey wrote:
>
>Hi Len:
>That's a good question.  speaking strictly as one user of one particular 
>screen reader, Jaws For windows Version 3.2,
>in the the case of  Excel 97,
>the short answer is, no, but with advanced features which would be off 
>topic here, I think the answer would be yes.
>There is a difference between saying the cell coordinates (e.g. 
>"A1,B1,...,A2,B2,...) and the headings, presumably always in row 1?
>
>-Steve
>
>
>
> >>> "Leonard R. Kasday" <kasday@acm.org> 01/03/00 04:51PM >>>
>Another approach to making data accessible is to provide a link to the data
>in a format compatible with spreadsheets.  The user can then open the data
>in a spreadsheet and travel up, down, left, and right.
>
>We used this approach at
>http://www.temple.edu/inst_disabilities/piat/reep/wanted.html
>
>We used comma separated variables (.csv) so the file could also be read
>sensibly by a straight screenreader treating it as a text file.
>
>Does anyone know of any setups with spreadsheets and screen readers that
>read the headings as the person travels through the rows and columns?  That
>would make this technique even more useful.
>
>Len
>
>
>At 03:38 AM 1/3/00 -0500, Charles McCathieNevile wrote:
> >So far as I know emacspeak is the only screen-reader (and it isn't really a
> >screen reader but an audio-based operating system) that actualy identifies
> >cells in columns at the moment, although some editing browsers also provide
> >this function.
> >
> >Charles McCN
> >
> >On Mon, 3 Jan 2000, Charles McCathieNevile wrote:
> >
> >   Janet,
> >
> >   as I understand it you are correct in your simple example - that will
> >   linerise nicely. I am not sure what there is implemented within
> > browsers - I
> >   suspect not much to judge by the discussions in the User Agent Guidelines
> >   list, but there is a tablin tool developed by W3C through the WAI-ER
> > group -
> >   http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/IG - to lineraise tables, which provides various
> >   methods of linearising tables and choosing which headers should be
> > included.
> >
> >   cheers
> >
> >   Charles McCN
> >
> >   On Wed, 22 Dec 1999, Janet Parkinson wrote:
> >
> >     I have some questions concerning the design of data tables. I was
> > wondering
> >     if anyone would be able to give me any answers on them? There are 
> three -
> >
> >     1 What is the proportion of screen readers that are currently 
> capable of
> >     associating headings and data cells by reading the mark-up of a table?
> >
> >
> >--
> >Charles McCathieNevile    mailto:charles@w3.org    phone: +61 409 134 136
> >W3C Web Accessibility Initiative                    http://www.w3.org/WAI
> >21 Mitchell Street, Footscray, VIC 3011,  Australia (I've moved!)
>
>-------
>Leonard R. Kasday, Ph.D.
>Institute on Disabilities/UAP, and
>Department of Electrical Engineering
>Temple University
>423 Ritter Annex, Philadelphia, PA 19122
>
>kasday@acm.org
>http://astro.temple.edu/~kasday
>
>(215) 204-2247 (voice)
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>

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Leonard R. Kasday, Ph.D.
Institute on Disabilities/UAP, and
Department of Electrical Engineering
Temple University
423 Ritter Annex, Philadelphia, PA 19122

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