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Re: Web Magazine featuring Accessibility issues

From: Brian Kelly <lisbk@ukoln.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 15:12:07 +0100
Message-ID: <016901bf1a3b$edf2d3d0$3c92268a@bath.ac.uk>
To: webmaster@dors.sailorsite.net
Cc: "'Web Accessibility Initiative'" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Hi Bruce
   Many thanks for the comments.  Have now fixed all but 2 of the HTML
errors (still need to add a doctype and not sure what to do about the
URL encoding which the validator doesn't like).

The CSS has now been tidied up.

Unfortunately the display bug still appears in Netscape :-(

I guess I'll have to get into how browsers support CSS parse trees, or
provide some user-agent negotiation.

As I've said previously on this list, I'm afraid I disagree with Kynn
when he says writing accessible pages is easy.  I think it's very
time-consuming and difficult to follow the guidelines and cater for bugs
in the browsers :-(
(Although I'll keep on trying).

Brian
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----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Bailey <bbailey@clark.net>
To: 'Brian Kelly' <b.kelly@ukoln.ac.uk>
Cc: 'Web Accessibility Initiative' <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 2:14 PM
Subject: RE: Web Magazine featuring Accessibility issues


> It is great that you want to keep your whole magazine conform to the
WCAG.
>  It would be nice if all web publications, when they run articles on
> accessibility, would actually take some steps to adhere to the
Priority
> checkpoints!
>
> I will warn you that you may be direct to places like URL:
> http://bama.ua.edu/archives/adv-html.html
> for discussion of general HTML and CSS questions.
>
> From a quick look at your code, it looks like your sheet at URL:
> http://www.exploit-lib.org/resources/css/main/exploitstyle2.css
> does not include defaults for TABLE, let alone your references to DIV
> CLASS="table-x" (where x is incremented for each table.  I would think
you
> want all the tables to use the same class.
>
> Perhaps more significant than this, ALL tables are missing closing
</TR>
> tags.  I don't think this is optional!
>
> I don't think you would have any problems if your stuff parsed cleanly
> through the W3C validation services at URLs:
> http://validator.w3.org/
> http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator-uri.html
>
> (I especially like how the page was last updated on 25 October, 1999!)
>
> On Tuesday, October 19, 1999 6:26 AM, Brian Kelly
[SMTP:lisbk@ukoln.ac.uk]
> wrote:
> > I am the project manager for the Exploit Interactive web magazine -
a
> > publication which aims to disseminate information on the European
> > Union's Telematics for Libraries projects.
> >
> > Issue 3 has the theme of accessibility and internationalisation.  It
> > features articles on WAI and a project to create a world wide
virtual
> > library of music braille.
> >
> > We would like the magazine itself to be accessible, and are using
style
> > sheets for some (but not all) of the formatting.  Unfortunately I'm
> > having problems with a table  - when viewing some (but not all)
tables
> > in Netscape 4.7 a large amount of white space is displayed before
the
> > table.  There is no problem in IE.
> >
> > The article is at:
> > http://www.exploit-lib.org/issue3/nfp-websites/
> >
> > The problems relate to Tables 2 and 3.
> >
> > Any ideas on how to fix this problem?
> >
> > Comments also welcome on the accessibility of the magazine in
general
> > (there will be a EC review of the magazine next month).
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > PS Exploit Interactive issue 3 will be available at:
> >
> > http://www.exploit-lib.org/issue3/
> >
> > It will be launched officialy on Monday 25 October - the full
> > functionality isn't there yet and there are still a couple of
articles
> > still to arive.
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Brian Kelly, UK Web Focus
> > UKOLN, University of Bath, BATH, England, BA2 7AY
> > Email:  b.kelly@ukoln.ac.uk     URL:    http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/
> > Homepage: http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/ukoln/staff/b.kelly.html
> > Phone:  01225 323943            FAX:   01225 826838
>
>
>
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