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RE: Delivery Units And Frames

From: Gregg Vanderheiden <gv@trace.wisc.edu>
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:44:03 -0600
To: "'Michael Cooper'" <michaelc@watchfire.com>, <jim@jimthatcher.com>, <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Message-ID: <002701c5f9c3$7d814550$77a5d846@NC6000BAK>
I'm putting this on the agenda for this week so we can clear this up and
clean it up.





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Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. 
Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr.
Director - Trace R & D Center 
University of Wisconsin-Madison 




From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf
Of Michael Cooper
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 9:58 AM
To: jim@jimthatcher.com; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: RE: Delivery Units And Frames

Hi Jim - your understanding parallels mine, and I have argued for this
position in the group. I believe the group has agreed on that and the How to
Meet document contains editorial oversight rather than an intention to
convey a different impression, though I am not fully sure. The semantic
overload of the word "title", referring both to the "title" attribute and
the <title> element (as well as to the concept of a title), causes
discussion on this topic to be unclear and decisions taken on the discussion
to be imperfectly executed.


In my opinion, use of the "title" attribute is the preferred HTML technique
to meet 2.4.5 for frames, providing a kind of "link text" that identfies the
content that would be loaded in the frame. The <title> element is the HTML
technique for 2.4.4 and applies to all documents, whether they are loaded in
a frame or not. I think a number of the techniques in the respective How to
Meet documents need to be shuffled around to reflect this.



-----Original Message-----
From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org]On Behalf
Of Jim Thatcher
Sent: December 5, 2005 9:48 AM
To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: Delivery Units And Frames

SC 2.4.4 says that delivery units should have titles. Good. 


For HTML and frames, I believe that the delivery units are the Frame Pages
and the Frameset Page (or pages). 


But "How to Meet SC 2.4.4" says providing title attributes on the <frame>
element is an HTML technique for meeting 2.4.4. 


In what sense is the title attribute on a <frame> element a title for a
delivery unit? What delivery unit?




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