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Re: [Fwd: Re: Brainstorming about conformance profiles]

From: Kerstin Goldsmith <kerstin.goldsmith@oracle.com>
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 17:10:44 -0700
Message-ID: <4140F104.9060304@oracle.com>
To: Kerstin Goldsmith <kerstin.goldsmith@oracle.com>
CC: wcag <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Links to Jason's characteristics post:

    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004JulSep/0518.html

Cheers,
-Kerstin


Kerstin Goldsmith wrote:

> Folks,
>
> I agreed to an action item last week during a small sub-group meeting 
> meant for brainstorming the "conformance profile" idea.  I think it's 
> a valid exercise to try to come up with live examples of different 
> kinds of web content implementations (see the list below) - both on 
> intranets and on the internet - in order to then apply our current 
> working draft success criteria to them to see if there are, in fact, 
> as some people have posited, certain kinds of web content where 
> specific success criteria should not/would not apply.  The biggest 
> "type" of web content in question, or at least the one getting the 
> most press on the phone and on the list, is the "intranet web 
> application using lots of javascript and relying on specific versions 
> of browsers and AT to run accessibly" that SAP, Oracle, MS, and IBM 
> have brought up.  One of the goals of the exercise will be to come up 
> with a matrix based on profiles of success criteria applicability.  I 
> do not believe that the only goal of the exercise will be to list 
> conformance profiles just as "types," however -- it's possible that 
> the exercise will lead us to very different outcomes, one of which 
> could be Jason's proposal to group profiles according to 
> characteristics rather than "types."  Still, working from real 
> examples will allow us some insight into applicability of the WCAG 2.0 
> success criteria, and will allow us to further debate different 
> possible types of conformance.
>
> So, here's what I am looking for:
>     -   volunteers to add to the list of live examples below
>     -   volunteers to create matrices of wcag 2.0 sc applicability to 
> the examples
>     -   volunteers to possibly link the above to Jason's list of 
> characteristics
>     -   volunteers to think of other possible ways to group different 
> web content, or different applicability of wcag 2.0 sc???
>
> Once we have volunteers, maybe we can meet and divy the work according 
> to peoples' preferences?
>
> Looking forward to comments and volunteers,
> Cheers,
> -Kerstin
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: 	Re: Brainstorming about conformance profiles
> Date: 	Mon, 30 Aug 2004 16:47:47 -0700
> From: 	Kerstin Goldsmith <kerstin.goldsmith@oracle.com>
> Organization: 	Oracle Corporation
> To: 	wendy@w3.org
> CC: 	Alex Li <alex.li@sap.com>, JasonW 
> <jasonw@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU>, Michael Cooper 
> <michaelc@watchfire.com>, Andi Snow-Weaver <andisnow@us.ibm.com>, 
> Becky Gibson <Becky_Gibson@notesdev.ibm.com>, Gez Lemon 
> <gl@juicystudio.com>
> References: 	<412E645E.7080101@w3.org> <4133530A.4000407@w3.org>
>
>
>
> In the spirit of trying to just send out what I was able to come up 
> with in half an hour, here is a start:
>
> Possible Types of Conformance Profiles with real live examples:
>    
>
>
>           -   Documentation:
>
>          Oracle Online Documentation for JDeveloper 10g:
>                 
> http://helponline.oracle.com/jdeveloper/help/state?navSetId=jdeveloper&navId=0&destination=
>
>
>           -   "Simple" Website:
>
>           is there any such thing as a plain website anymore?
>
>           Access Board:
>           http://www.access-board.gov/
>
>
>           -   Web Applications:
>
>           A true corporate/enterprise application often runs only on 
> intranets -- it replaces client-server technology with web technology, 
> such that financials, HR, timesheets, etc.. are all managed through a 
> browser and a central webserver ....  I cannot find an externally 
> available example of this .... Alex, Andi, anyone?
>
>
>           -    Newspapers, News sites, Magazines:
>
>             CNN
>             AOL
>             NY Times
>             Economist
>  
>
>
>           -   Email
>
>           Hotmail
>           http://www.hotmail.com
>
>
>           -    Blogs
>
>
>
>           -    Wikis
>
>             http://www.Wikipedia.com
>
>
>           -   Search Engines
>
>           Google
>           http://www.google.com
>       
>           Yahoo
>           http://www.yahoo.com
>
>
>           -   e-commerce:
>
>           AMAZON.COM, of course
>           http://www.amazon.com
>
>           eBay
>           http://www.eba
>
>
>           -   Libraries
>
>           Library of Congress:
>           http://www.loc.gov/
>                        
>           Telaviv University Library:
>           http://www.tau.ac.il/cenlib/index_eng.shtml
>
>
>           -   Huge Corporate Website Portals -- Informational versus
>       e-commerce   
>
>            Sony
>            http://sony.com/
>
>            Oracle
>            http://www.oracle.com/index.html
>
>
>           -   Research databases
>
>           http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/
>
>
> Followup questions:
> -    Can these be broken out into characteristics ... per Jason's 
> suggestion?
>
> -    How do the guidelines apply to these?
>
> Wendy, let me know how you would like to proceed -- I can take one of 
> the above action items, but again, timeline????
>
> Wendy Chisholm wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Here is the information for today's call:
>> 10:00 PM UTC (6:00 PM New York, 11:00 PM London, Tuesday 8:00 AM 
>> Melbourne)
>> Phone:  +1.617.761.6200, conference 83261
>> IRC: irc.w3.org:6665 #wai-wcag
>>
>> Related reading:
>> 1. Jason's message from Saturday
>> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004JulSep/0490.html>
>>
>> 2. "baseline" as previously used in Guideline 4.2
>> <http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/WD-WCAG20-20030624/#declare-technology>
>>
>> 3. "Questions related to device capabilities"
>> Issue 214. Closed.  Reopen?
>> <http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=214>
>>
>> 4. 'ambiguity with "widely" available and use of "baseline"'
>> Issue 444. Closed. Reopen?
>> <http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=444>
>>
>> 5. 'Keyboard access for devices that have no AT'
>> Issue 244. Open.
>> <http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=244>
>>
>> 6. 'Divvying up responsibility for keyboard access'
>> Issue 561. Open.
>> <http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=561>
>>
>> 7. User Agent Accessibility Guidelines 1.0
>> Section 3.1 Conformance profiles
>> <http://www.w3.org/TR/UAAG10/conformance.html#conformance-profiles>
>>
>> 8. Mobile SVG Profiles: SVG Tiny and SVG Basic
>> <http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/REC-SVGMobile-20030114/>
>> discuss conformance in appendix:
>> <http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/REC-SVGMobile-20030114/#sec-conformance>
>>
>> 9. XHTML Abstract Modules (modules - similar to profiles?)
>> <http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/REC-xhtml-modularization-20010410/abstract_modules.html#s_xhtmlmodules> 
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> --wendy
>>
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