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[Fwd: Re: Brainstorming about conformance profiles]

From: Kerstin Goldsmith <kerstin.goldsmith@oracle.com>
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 16:51:43 -0700
Message-ID: <4140EC8F.6060802@oracle.com>
To: wcag <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Folks,

I agreed to an action item last week during a small sub-group meeting 
meant for brainstorming the "conformance profile" idea.  I think it's a 
valid exercise to try to come up with live examples of different kinds 
of web content implementations (see the list below) - both on intranets 
and on the internet - in order to then apply our current working draft 
success criteria to them to see if there are, in fact, as some people 
have posited, certain kinds of web content where specific success 
criteria should not/would not apply.  The biggest "type" of web content 
in question, or at least the one getting the most press on the phone and 
on the list, is the "intranet web application using lots of javascript 
and relying on specific versions of browsers and AT to run accessibly" 
that SAP, Oracle, MS, and IBM have brought up.  One of the goals of the 
exercise will be to come up with a matrix based on profiles of success 
criteria applicability.  I do not believe that the only goal of the 
exercise will be to list conformance profiles just as "types," however 
-- it's possible that the exercise will lead us to very different 
outcomes, one of which could be Jason's proposal to group profiles 
according to characteristics rather than "types."  Still, working from 
real examples will allow us some insight into applicability of the WCAG 
2.0 success criteria, and will allow us to further debate different 
possible types of conformance.

So, here's what I am looking for:
    -   volunteers to add to the list of live examples below
    -   volunteers to create matrices of wcag 2.0 sc applicability to 
the examples
    -   volunteers to possibly link the above to Jason's list of 
characteristics
    -   volunteers to think of other possible ways to group different 
web content, or different applicability of wcag 2.0 sc???

Once we have volunteers, maybe we can meet and divy the work according 
to peoples' preferences?

Looking forward to comments and volunteers,
Cheers,
-Kerstin


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: Brainstorming about conformance profiles
Date: 	Mon, 30 Aug 2004 16:47:47 -0700
From: 	Kerstin Goldsmith <kerstin.goldsmith@oracle.com>
Organization: 	Oracle Corporation
To: 	wendy@w3.org
CC: 	Alex Li <alex.li@sap.com>, JasonW 
<jasonw@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU>, Michael Cooper 
<michaelc@watchfire.com>, Andi Snow-Weaver <andisnow@us.ibm.com>, Becky 
Gibson <Becky_Gibson@notesdev.ibm.com>, Gez Lemon <gl@juicystudio.com>
References: 	<412E645E.7080101@w3.org> <4133530A.4000407@w3.org>



In the spirit of trying to just send out what I was able to come up with 
in half an hour, here is a start:

Possible Types of Conformance Profiles with real live examples:
   


          -   Documentation:

         Oracle Online Documentation for JDeveloper 10g:
                
http://helponline.oracle.com/jdeveloper/help/state?navSetId=jdeveloper&navId=0&destination=


          -   "Simple" Website:

          is there any such thing as a plain website anymore?

          Access Board:
          http://www.access-board.gov/


          -   Web Applications:

          A true corporate/enterprise application often runs only on 
intranets -- it replaces client-server technology with web technology, 
such that financials, HR, timesheets, etc.. are all managed through a 
browser and a central webserver ....  I cannot find an externally 
available example of this .... Alex, Andi, anyone?


          -    Newspapers, News sites, Magazines:

            CNN
            AOL
            NY Times
            Economist
 


          -   Email

          Hotmail
          http://www.hotmail.com


          -    Blogs



          -    Wikis

            http://www.Wikipedia.com


          -   Search Engines

          Google
          http://www.google.com
      
          Yahoo
          http://www.yahoo.com


          -   e-commerce:

          AMAZON.COM, of course
          http://www.amazon.com

          eBay
          http://www.eba


          -   Libraries

          Library of Congress:
          http://www.loc.gov/
                       
          Telaviv University Library:
          http://www.tau.ac.il/cenlib/index_eng.shtml


          -   Huge Corporate Website Portals -- Informational versus
      e-commerce   

           Sony
           http://sony.com/

           Oracle
           http://www.oracle.com/index.html


          -   Research databases

          http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/


Followup questions:
-    Can these be broken out into characteristics ... per Jason's 
suggestion?

-    How do the guidelines apply to these?

Wendy, let me know how you would like to proceed -- I can take one of 
the above action items, but again, timeline????

Wendy Chisholm wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Here is the information for today's call:
> 10:00 PM UTC (6:00 PM New York, 11:00 PM London, Tuesday 8:00 AM 
> Melbourne)
> Phone:  +1.617.761.6200, conference 83261
> IRC: irc.w3.org:6665 #wai-wcag
>
> Related reading:
> 1. Jason's message from Saturday
> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004JulSep/0490.html>
>
> 2. "baseline" as previously used in Guideline 4.2
> <http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/WD-WCAG20-20030624/#declare-technology>
>
> 3. "Questions related to device capabilities"
> Issue 214. Closed.  Reopen?
> <http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=214>
>
> 4. 'ambiguity with "widely" available and use of "baseline"'
> Issue 444. Closed. Reopen?
> <http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=444>
>
> 5. 'Keyboard access for devices that have no AT'
> Issue 244. Open.
> <http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=244>
>
> 6. 'Divvying up responsibility for keyboard access'
> Issue 561. Open.
> <http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=561>
>
> 7. User Agent Accessibility Guidelines 1.0
> Section 3.1 Conformance profiles
> <http://www.w3.org/TR/UAAG10/conformance.html#conformance-profiles>
>
> 8. Mobile SVG Profiles: SVG Tiny and SVG Basic
> <http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/REC-SVGMobile-20030114/>
> discuss conformance in appendix:
> <http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/REC-SVGMobile-20030114/#sec-conformance>
>
> 9. XHTML Abstract Modules (modules - similar to profiles?)
> <http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/REC-xhtml-modularization-20010410/abstract_modules.html#s_xhtmlmodules> 
>
>
> Best,
> --wendy
>
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