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Re: New internal draft of HTML techniques

From: Joe Clark <joeclark@joeclark.org>
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 04:44:04 +0000 (UTC)
To: Paul Bohman <paulb@cc.usu.edu>
Cc: WAI-GL <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0407280441100.11287@aristotle.multipattern.com>

> A keyboard user could certainly be sighted, but if that person is using only 
> the keyboard, that person cannot read the optgroup label in the current 
> browsers that I am most familiar with.

They're plainly displayed and visible.

> Just use your 
> keyboard (I'm talking about Windows machines at the moment) to access a 
> drop-down list that uses optgroup. Mozilla-based browsers, IE, and Opera only 
> show you the options that you can actually choose.

They don't *hide* the optgroup text. It is not *invisible* or absent.

> From what I remember about IE on Macs, the behavior is somewhat different, 
> with the optgroup labels acting as a submenu, with flyout menus to the side.

Yes. Moz displays the optgroup text, and no, you can't select it. Safari 
lets you select all text.

> However, from a screen reader perspective--or, to be more specific, from the 
> perspective of using JAWS and Window Eyes--my own tests have shown that 
> screen readers do not read optgroup.

Something else they'll have to fix.


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