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RE: Form and label element association

From: John M Slatin <john_slatin@austin.utexas.edu>
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:19:01 -0600
Message-ID: <C46A1118E0262B47BD5C202DA2490D1A1E302F@MAIL02.austin.utexas.edu>
To: "Jens Meiert" <jens.meiert@erde3.com>, "lisa seeman" <seeman@netvision.net.il>
Cc: <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>

That's the correct: I was *not* proposing placeholder text.

The content of the title attribute would not be visible on the screen,
but would be spoken by screen readers and talking browsers. A visual
prompt is provided by the submit button, which is labeled "Search" (not
simply submit).  At least this is how I understood the situation.

In other words, sighted users see a button labeled "Search" immediately
to adjacent to the empty input field. Visually, then, the button works
like a label.

I think placeholder text would be both redundant and potentially
confusing, because some user agents automatically select the placeholder
text (so that entering the search text would replace the placeholder)
while others do not. In the latter case, a user might enter the search
term but submit a query that also contained the placeholder text,
leading to confusing results.


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-----Original Message-----
From: Jens Meiert [mailto:jens.meiert@erde3.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 9:02 am
To: lisa seeman
Cc: John M Slatin; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: RE: Form and label element association

> [...] I think it would be legitimate to use the title attribute on the

> <input> element to prompt the user *before* she or he tabs to the 
> Search button.

<snip />

> What if the place holding text for the text box read "enter search 
> text here"

First, John meant use of the title attribute (which IMO is the better
solution) not of place holding text, CMIIW. Second, I rather recommend
to say 'enter search text' than 'enter search text here', since 'here'
is unnecessary to say (as is to use 'click here').


Jens Meiert
Interface Architect

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