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RE: rationalize presentation [was: Use consistent presentation]

From: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:01:30 -0500 (EST)
To: "Slaydon, Eugenia" <ESlaydon@beacontec.com>
cc: <gian@stanleymilford.com.au>, <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0201151700240.20590-100000@tux.w3.org>
I think we agree. I didn't mean to say "don't use navigation icons", I meant
to say "use navigation icons, and text. But for the text, use real, styled
text, not gif or jpg images of text".



On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Slaydon, Eugenia wrote:

  I still have to disagree. Navigation icons provide visual clues that CSS
  just can't duplicate yet. Saying that they are inappropriate in an
  accessible page is a harsh statement. I fully support your first statement
  of providing both icons and text labels. I feel that it best supports
  accessibility for *all* users.

  Eugenia Slaydon
  Lead Content Developer
  Beacon Technologies, Inc.
  336-931-1295 ext 225

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Charles McCathieNevile [mailto:charles@w3.org]
  Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 4:41 PM
  To: gian@stanleymilford.com.au
  Cc: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
  Subject: RE: rationalize presentation [was: Use consistent presentation]

  Well, SVG has a lot of promise as a way to do what we really want.

  I think what we actually want is to be able to provide both navigation
  and text labels. I agree that SVG isn't going to be relied on in a
  conservatively designed website for the next few months, so we really get to
  having old image formats, and text. I do feel that CSS is sufficiently well
  implemented in currently used browsers, so that using bitmap images of text
  in place of styled text is not appropriate in an HTML page that claims to be
  accessible to a reasonable degree.



  On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 gian@stanleymilford.com.au wrote:

    I don't believe an appropriate markup exists that can convey the same
    information that images in navigation bars do.  It would be a sad day
    for accessibility if the only way to make a AA or AAA site would be to
    remove graphical navigation bars.

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