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Re: Meta Refresh (was Re: Proposal: 2.4 rewording)

From: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:57:32 -0400 (EDT)
To: Thanasis Kinias <tkinias@optimalco.com>
cc: Matt May <mcmay@bestkungfu.com>, <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0106141157210.6562-100000@tux.w3.org>
Hmmm, sounds like we are saying the same things.


On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Thanasis Kinias wrote:

  On Thursday 14 June 2001 08:31, Charles McCathieNevile wrote:
  > The responsibility of the author is to do things "the right way", and there
  > are things that screen readers do handle properly. For example, using HTTP
  > redirects instead of http-equiv in a meta element.

  My contention was that HTTP redirects are "the right way", and that meta
  refresh redirects were introducing unnecessary obstacles to accessibility
  _given_ _currently_ _deployed_ _UAs._  If I'm not misunderstanding you, you
  just said something very similar.

  > But there are things over which the author has no control, such as whether
  > someone is using a browser that just doesn't work.

  I would love it (from a designer's perspective) if I could say "all users of
  NS4 go hang; you need to get a better browser".  NS4 emphatically doesn't
  work, in its handling of all sorts of valid markup and style.  But I can't
  ignore that a lot of people are still using it:  many people are resistant to
  embracing the MS monopoly but are unaware of alternatives (Opera, iCab,
  Konqueror, etc.).  And if I design pages that don't work in NS4, those pages
  aren't accessible, regardless of how many WCAG checkpoints they meet.

  > And WCAG 2 doesn't assume all "until user agents"
  > clauses have been met, but last time we discussed the topic there was an
  > agreement that things would either be phrased as requirements, or not.

  That's good.  I never cared much for the "until user agents" clauses; they
  introduced too much ambiguity.

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