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Re: Need help with comment #10 (was Re: disposition of BAD comments)

From: Eric Eggert <eric.eggert@outlinewebdesign.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 15:06:24 +0100
Message-ID: <CAN0=ErKxvw4OcPtxd3oHzPZhTh-FXMTzf-d+NFbc0ih1wma0TA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Michael Stenitzer <stenitzer@wienfluss.net>
Cc: Shadi Abou-Zahra <shadi@w3.org>, EOWG <w3c-wai-eo@w3.org>, BAD TF <public-wai-eo-badtf@w3.org>, Suzette Keith <S.Keith@mdx.ac.uk>
Hi!

> for my understanding a horizontal navigation is not (neccessarily) a tabbed interface.
> tabs do behave differently although they might look similar.

I second this. A tabbed interface requires for me that there is no
page reload. On BAD we have page reloads and thus a list of links.

~Eric

>
> just my 2 cents ;)
>
> regards, michael
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Shadi Abou-Zahra" <shadi@w3.org>
>> To: "Suzette Keith" <S.Keith@mdx.ac.uk>
>> Cc: "Eric Eggert" <w3c@yatil.de>, "EOWG" <w3c-wai-eo@w3.org>, "BAD TF" <public-wai-eo-badtf@w3.org>
>> Sent: Monday, 9 January, 2012 1:58:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: Need help with comment #10 (was Re: disposition of BAD comments)
>>
>> Purely technically I guess that structures such as WAI-ARIA tabs and
>> HTML5 menus offer better semantics than lists to represent such menu
>> components. Firefox seems to support these but currently support on
>> other browsers (and AT) is lagging behind and both are current draft
>> specifications, making it effectively not viable for many websites.
>>
>> I guess that currently you would need to either build in the work
>> around
>> that Eric described or choose not to support a non-complaint browser
>> as
>> we will probably need to do with BAD.
>>
>> Best,
>>    Shadi
>>
>>
>> On 9.1.2012 13:05, Suzette Keith wrote:
>> > Hi
>> > I  am only a beginner and easily confused when it comes to creating
>> > a
>> > website - but the beginner texts all use 'ul' then 'li' to create
>> > menus.
>> > Does Firefox offer a better way to create a menu (list) with
>> > bullets
>> > removed?
>> > Suzette
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 09/01/2012 11:05, "Eric Eggert"<w3c@yatil.de>  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Shadi,
>> >>
>> >>>> Comment #10: (3) list items not exposed properly in Firefox [5]
>> >>>> Resolution: pending - looking into it
>> >>>> Rationale: cannot replicate the issue on my setup
>> >>>> [5]<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2011OctDec/0105>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm not able to replicate this issue or find online resources
>> >>> about this
>> >>> apparent bug. It could be because the list structure
>> >>> contains<div>,
>> >>> <span>,
>> >>> and plain text nodes rather than only<li>  elements.
>> >>>
>> >>> Does anyone have more information about this issue?
>> >>
>> >> This is a behavior that Firefox shows when the<li>  has no visible
>> >> bullet points. As I checked back with Marco Zehe of Mozilla it is
>> >> a
>> >> desired behavior, as they claim that it isn¹t a list if there are
>> >> no
>> >> bullets. I don¹t think that¹s a particularly good decision and I
>> >> wonder if it is against UAAG, being not familiar with that spec my
>> >> self.
>> >>
>> >> There is nothing we can do at this point, besides hacking in
>> >> single-pixel-gifs as bullet points, but I think that would break
>> >> other
>> >> things.
>> >>
>> >> ~Eric
>> >>
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>>
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