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Re: Need help with comment #10 (was Re: disposition of BAD comments)

From: Michael Stenitzer <stenitzer@wienfluss.net>
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 14:28:54 +0100 (CET)
To: Shadi Abou-Zahra <shadi@w3.org>
Cc: Eric Eggert <w3c@yatil.de>, EOWG <w3c-wai-eo@w3.org>, BAD TF <public-wai-eo-badtf@w3.org>, Suzette Keith <S.Keith@mdx.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <90559521-56da-4c15-b24c-1f59f1dd24f0@zebrastreifen.25th-floor.com>
for my understanding a horizontal navigation is not (neccessarily) a tabbed interface.
tabs do behave differently although they might look similar.

just my 2 cents ;)

regards, michael

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shadi Abou-Zahra" <shadi@w3.org>
> To: "Suzette Keith" <S.Keith@mdx.ac.uk>
> Cc: "Eric Eggert" <w3c@yatil.de>, "EOWG" <w3c-wai-eo@w3.org>, "BAD TF" <public-wai-eo-badtf@w3.org>
> Sent: Monday, 9 January, 2012 1:58:57 PM
> Subject: Re: Need help with comment #10 (was Re: disposition of BAD comments)
> 
> Purely technically I guess that structures such as WAI-ARIA tabs and
> HTML5 menus offer better semantics than lists to represent such menu
> components. Firefox seems to support these but currently support on
> other browsers (and AT) is lagging behind and both are current draft
> specifications, making it effectively not viable for many websites.
> 
> I guess that currently you would need to either build in the work
> around
> that Eric described or choose not to support a non-complaint browser
> as
> we will probably need to do with BAD.
> 
> Best,
>    Shadi
> 
> 
> On 9.1.2012 13:05, Suzette Keith wrote:
> > Hi
> > I  am only a beginner and easily confused when it comes to creating
> > a
> > website - but the beginner texts all use 'ul' then 'li' to create
> > menus.
> > Does Firefox offer a better way to create a menu (list) with
> > bullets
> > removed?
> > Suzette
> >
> >
> >
> > On 09/01/2012 11:05, "Eric Eggert"<w3c@yatil.de>  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Shadi,
> >>
> >>>> Comment #10: (3) list items not exposed properly in Firefox [5]
> >>>> Resolution: pending - looking into it
> >>>> Rationale: cannot replicate the issue on my setup
> >>>> [5]<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2011OctDec/0105>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I'm not able to replicate this issue or find online resources
> >>> about this
> >>> apparent bug. It could be because the list structure
> >>> contains<div>,
> >>> <span>,
> >>> and plain text nodes rather than only<li>  elements.
> >>>
> >>> Does anyone have more information about this issue?
> >>
> >> This is a behavior that Firefox shows when the<li>  has no visible
> >> bullet points. As I checked back with Marco Zehe of Mozilla it is
> >> a
> >> desired behavior, as they claim that it isn¹t a list if there are
> >> no
> >> bullets. I don¹t think that¹s a particularly good decision and I
> >> wonder if it is against UAAG, being not familiar with that spec my
> >> self.
> >>
> >> There is nothing we can do at this point, besides hacking in
> >> single-pixel-gifs as bullet points, but I think that would break
> >> other
> >> things.
> >>
> >> ~Eric
> >>
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