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Re: Minutes of telecon: 2003-07-18

From: Dan Brickley <danbri@w3.org>
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 13:01:42 -0400
To: Graham Klyne <gk@ninebynine.org>
Cc: w3c-rdfcore-wg@w3.org
Message-ID: <20030718170142.GC13963@tux.w3.org>

My apologies; I should have more clearly communicated regrets from Eric Miller.

--danbri

* Graham Klyne <gk@ninebynine.org> [2003-07-18 17:57+0100]
> 
> RDFCore teleconference:  2003-07-18
> 
> Time:
> 10:00:00 Fri Jul 18 2003 in America/New York duration 60 minutes + possible 
> 30 minute extension
> 
> which is equivalent to
> 15:00:00 Fri Jul 18 2003 in Europe/London
> 
> Phone: +1-617-761-6200 (Zakim)#7332
> irc: irc.w3.org #rdfcore
> 
> Agenda:  
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jul/0229.html
> IRC log: http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/rdfcore/2003-07-18.txt
> 
> 
> Summary of decisions:
> 
> RESOLVED: close pfps-02 as proposed msg 2003Jul/0015
> RESOLVED: close pfps-06 as proposed msg 2003Jul/0013
> RESOLVED: create a postponed issue to define a layered sublangauge of RDFS
> RESOLVED: approve tex-01
> RESOLVED: approve horst-01
> RESOLVED: approve xmlsch-02 with update noted
> 
> 
> Summary of actions:
> 
> JJC   apply pfps-22/23 changes as agreed last week
> JJC   remove normative references to RDFS URI
> JJC   remove references to term "RDF core" in Concepts
> BWM   create postponed issue to revisit support for internationalization in 
> the triple structure
> BWM   draft text for primer and work with Frank to integrate it
> JJC   add warning to Concepts 3.4 to use XML if markup required
> JanG  update test case language-and-xml-literal to be positive entailment
> BWM   create postponed issue to define a layered sublanguage of RDFS
> PatH  respond further to Pan concerning layered sublanguage postponed issue
> JJC   Update xmlsch-02 manifest with additional test:entailmentRules
> BWM   complete last-call dance for Semantics issues, liaising with PatH as 
> needed
> DaveB Draft a conformance statement for an "RDF document"
> BWM   Review Primer
> DaveB Review Primer
> BWM   Review Schema (after pending edits)
> JJC   Run ARP against all syntax tests
> DaveB Review semantics (after pending edits are applied)
> DaveB Revise syntax doc to only references to other document status are in 
> status and references sections
> 
> 
> --swebscrape:
> date:20030718
> --
> 
> 1: scribe: GK scribes
> 
> 
> 2: Roll Call
> 
> Present:  Brian McBride
>           Dan Brickley
>           Dan Connolly
>           Dave Beckett
>           Jan Grant
>           Pat Hayes
>           Graham Klyne,
>           Jeremy Carroll
>           Frank Manola
>           Patrick Stickler
>           Mike Dean
> 
> Regrets:  None noted from non-attendees
> 
> 
> 3: Review Agenda
> 
> No changes.
> 
> 
> 4: Next telecon 24 Jul 2003 1000 Boston Time
> 
> Volunteer Scribe: danbri
> 
> 
> 5: Minutes of 11 Jul  2003 telecon
> 
>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jul/0173.html
> 
> The minutes should show that Martin and Richard were present only for the
> second hour of the telecon.
> 
> 
> 6: Confirm Status of Completed Actions
> 
> ACTION: 20030627#1 jang
> to respond to webont on test cases with a
> 
> ACTION: 20030627#3 bwm
> to get schema editor to reflect intensional subClassOf/subPropertyOf in 
> schema spec.
> 
> ACTION: 20030627#7 DanC
> to inform WebOnt of change to semantics of subClassOf/subPropertyOf.
> 
> ACTION: 20030627#11 jjc
> to review syntax document at report back by july 4.
> 
> ACTION: 20030711#1 path
> to respond to pan-01
> 
> ACTION: 20030711#2 bwm
> to link to the new lBase document from the RDFCore page
> 
> ALL CONFIRMED
> 
> 
> 
> 7: Misc Actions
> 20030425#10     em      carry xmlsch WG's offer of help wrt xmlsch-12 to 
> semantic web coordination group
> 20030711#4      danc    to get a test case for pfps-09 into OWL test case 
> doc
> 
> ALL CONTINUED
> 
> 
> 
> 8: pfps-22,23
> 
> We agreed changes last week.
> Propose action jjc to apply the changes and respond to Peter.
> 
> ACTION: JJC apply pfps-22/23 changes as agreed last week
> 
> Also proposed to drop normative reference to RDFS URI in section 4.
>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jul/0164.html
> 
> ACTION: JJC remove normative references to RDFS URI
> 
> Also proposed to excise use of the term "RDF core" as noted by
> Frank and discussed on mailing list:
>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jul/0175.html
>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jul/0176.html
>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jul/0178.html
> 
> ACTION: JJC remove references to term "RDF core" in Concepts
> 
> 
> 
> 9: XML Literal
> 
> Suggested steps to address I18N concerns:
>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jul/0224.html
> 
> Also suggested adding text concenring use of extra markup to convey
> language information in XML, in context of XHTML rather than more
> generally in context of arbitrary XML.
> 
> (See also title example in 7.5 of RDF M&S)
> 
> ACTION: BWM  create postponed issue to revisit support for 
> internationalization in the triple structure
> 
> ACTION: BWM  draft text for primer and work with Frank to integrate it
> 
> ACTION: JJC  add warning to Concepts 3.4 to use XML if markup required
> 
> ACTION: JanG update test case language-and-xml-literal to be positive 
> entailment
> 
>   http://www.w3.org/2000/10/rdf-tests/rdfcore/datatypes/Manifest.rdf#language-and-xml-literal
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 10: Closing Semantics Comments
> We have proposals to close:
> 
> pfps-02
>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jul/0015.html
> 
> RESOLVED:  close pfps-02 as proposed msg 2003Jul/0015
> 
> Note, the formal response should contain relevant text as the current
> reference is to a document that may change, AND/OR include reference
> to archive version of text.
> 
> pfps-06
>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jul/0013.html
> 
> RESOLVED:  close pfps-06 as proposed msg 2003Jul/0013
> 
> 
> Jeff Pan's response on Pan-01
>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-comments/2003JulSep/0040.html
> 
> Jeff clarifies comment to be "please define layered subset".  Do we wish
> to create this as a postponed issue or how else should we respond?
> 
> (qu-03 seems also living under this postponed issue for making a 
> sublanguage)
> 
> RESOLVED: create a postponed issue to define a layered sublangauge of RDFS
> (1 abstain)
> 
> ACTION: BWM  create postponed issue to define a layered sublanguage of RDFS
> 
> ACTION: PatH respond further to Pan concerning layered sublanguage 
> postponed issue
> 
> 
> 
> 11: Test cases
> 
> Propose approve
>   http://www.w3.org/2000/10/rdf-tests/rdfcore/tex-01/
>   http://www.w3.org/2000/10/rdf-tests/rdfcore/xmlsch-02/
>   http://www.w3.org/2000/10/rdf-tests/rdfcore/horst-01/
> 
> xmlsch-02 needs some clarification of entailment scope to deal with
> xsd datatypes, for ill-formed literal test.
> 
> RESOLVED: approve tex-01
> RESOLVED: approve horst-01
> RESOLVED: approve xmlsch-02 with update noted
> 
> ACTION: JJC Update xmlsch-02 manifest with additional test:entailmentRules
> 
> 
> 
> 12: Schedule
> 
> Completing the process on last call comments
>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jul/0213.html
> 
> ACTION: BWM  complete last-call dance for Semantics issues, liaising with 
> PatH as needed
> 
> Do we need a second last call?
> 
> Discussion of document changes, some are arguably substantial:
> See IRC log from 14:55:42 (at URI above)
> DanC advises:  in order to not do another last call,
> we'll need to convince The Director that the design we've got
> (after all these changes) has been widely reviewed
> 
> Please draft PR request... use that as basis of last call decision
> 
> 
> Do we need conformance statements?
> 
> ACTION: DaveB Draft a conformance statement for an "RDF document"
> 
> [Should this be "RDF/XML document"]
> 
> 
> Status of documents and reviewing
> 
> 20030627#11     jjc     to review syntax document at report back by july 4.
> (Done)
> 
> 20030627#13     path    review concepts document.
> 20030627#12     jang    review concepts document.
> 
> ACTION: BWM   Review Primer
> 
> ACTION: DaveB Review Primer
> 
> Primer version to review:
>   http://www.w3.org/2001/09/rdfprimer/rdf-primer-2003LCrevised15July.html
> 
> ACTION: BWM   Review Schema (after pending edits)
> 
> ACTION: JJC   Run ARP against all syntax tests
> 
> ACTION: DaveB Review semantics (after pending edits are applied)
> 
> ACTION: DaveB Revise syntax doc to only references to other document status 
> are in status and references sections
> 
> Document reviews to be complete by 2003-07-25
> 
> 
> When will we be ready for the next step?
> 
> Aiming to be ready to make WG decision on next step by 2003-08-01
> 
> 
> 
> 13: Responses to Owl comments
> 
>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jun/0128.html
>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jun/0079.html
>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jun/0073.html
>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jun/0161.html
>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jun/0159.html
> 
> Not discussed
> 
> 
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> Graham Klyne
> <GK@NineByNine.org>
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