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Minutes RDF Core telcon 2003-01-17

From: Dave Beckett <dave.beckett@bristol.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 17:53:36 +0000
To: w3c-rdfcore-wg@w3.org
Message-ID: <9628.1042826016@hoth.ilrt.bris.ac.uk>


Agenda:
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jan/0109.html

Transcript:
  http://www.w3.org/2003/01/17-rdfcore-irc

2: Roll Call:

  Dan Brickley
  Dave Beckett (scribe)
  Jeremy Carroll
  Mike Dean
  Jos De Roo
  Jan Grant
  Pat Hayes
  Graham Klyne
  Frank Manola
  Brian McBride (chair)
  Eric Miller
  Steve Petschulat
  Patrick Stickler

Regrets:
  R.V. Guha (proxy to Eric Miller)
  Aaron Swartz (proxy to Brian McBride)

3: Review Agenda

No AOB

4: Next telecon 24 Jan 2003
  Jan Grant to scribe


5: Minutes of 2003-01-10 telecon

See:
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jan/0025.html

APPROVED with correction: Patrick Stickler was present.


6: Confirm Status of Completed Actions

ACTION: 2003-01-10#2 JanG
review primer LCC

see:
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jan/0056.html


ACTION: 2003-01-10#3 bwm
review primer LCC

see:
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jan/0028.html

ACTION: 2003-01-10#4 daveB
review primer LCC

see:
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jan/0055.html

ACTION: 2003-01-10#5 janG
 (jang) review schema LCC

see:
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jan/0046.html

ACTION: 2003-01-10#6 gk
review schema LCC

see:
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jan/0034.html

ACTION: 2003-01-10#7 bwm
update schema document in place with daveb's trivial fixes from email

ACTION: 2003-01-10#8 gk
supply words for concepts section 3.3 to address PatS' concerns that we stress DTing is not XSD-only.

see:
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jan/0081.html

ACTION: 2003-01-10#9 gk
correct concepts doc in line with danbri's comment

see:
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jan/0001.html

ACTION: 2003-01-10#10 daveB
fix the showstopper change in syntax doc

see:
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jan/0083.html

ACTION: 2003-01-10#16 bwm
chase editors to ensure they make the call next week or have a proxy vote.


APPROVED done.


7: Primer

Last Call Candidate:

  http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/TR/WD-rdf-primer-20030117/

Reviews:
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jan/0056.html
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jan/0028.html
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jan/0055.html

The three reviewers confirmed no showstopped issues were reported.
FrankM confirmed there were no outstanding comments that were
critical to be addressed before last call.

ACTION 2003-01-17#1 FrankM: send a brief note to PFPS indicating
  the status of his primer comments.
[Scribe note.  This action is done:
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-comments/2003JanMar/0065.html 
]

APPROVED: WG confirmed there are no changes required for Primer LCWD.


8: Schema

Last Call Candidate:

  http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/TR/WD-rdf-schema-20030117/

Reviews:
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jan/0046.html
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jan/0034.html
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jan/0071.html

Some changes proposed:  
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jan/0066.html
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jan/0068.html
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jan/0078.html

Reviewers are happy with the changes proposed and DanBri considered
that there were no other comments considered critical.

Discussion of where/if rdf:XMLLiteral was defined as a datatype and
need to check if in schema/concepts WD and fix it:

ACTION 2003-01-17#2 bwm: check that it is clear that rdf:XMLLiteral
  is a URI or a datatype.


APPROVED: WG confirmed there are no changes required for Schema LCWD.


9: Concepts Doc

Last call candidate:

  http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/TR/WD-rdf-concepts-20030117/

GK confirms the final changes have been made. 
Discussion of definition of literals in concepts versus that in
semantics and various pointers.  JanG noted section 6.5 of LC concepts:
  http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/TR/WD-rdf-concepts-20030117/#sectioan-Graph-Literal
which is section describing literals.  Agreement it could be polished
a bit more.

Brian suggested:
  The WG should be as clear as possible can about the
  denotation of a plain literal and work out later on how it relates to
  xsd:string during LC process
which was confirmed as acceptible. MikeD saw this as acceptible and
critical to answer since he had been hearing questions about the
relationship between an RDF literal and string.
       
APPROVED: WG confirmed there are no changes required for Concepts LCWD
(apart from that required by ACTION 2003-01-17#2)


10: Syntax Document

Last Call Candidate:

  http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/TR/WD-rdf-syntax-grammar-20030117/

Last call changes done, as reported last week.  

DaveB reported still having discussions with PFPS on www-rdf-comments
with issues but nothing considered critical.

APPROVED: WG confirmed there are no changes required for XML Syntax LCWD.


11: Testcases
2003-01-10#11  janG  deprecate the mailto: base URI test case      
2003-01-10#12  janG  fix rdfs:member, not rdfs:contains bug
2003-01-10#13  daveB  add links to concepts in ntriples section of test cases doc

Last Call Candidate:

  http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/TR/WD-rdf-testcases-20030117/

Discussion of some pending cases that were approved last week.  JanG
has to make new zips for the LCWD:

ACTION 2003-01-17#3 Jang: Update test cases zip file for w3 LCCWD, today
             
APPROVED: WG confirmed there are no changes required for RDF Test Cases LCWD.


12: Semantics Doc

Last Call Candidate

  http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/TR/WD-rdf-mt-20030117/

Reviews
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jan/0004.html
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Dec/0306.html
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Dec/0324.html

Peter's Issue:
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2003Jan/0106.html 


PatH still mostly offline and catching up on email.  Discussion of
comments by PFPS that were not yet fully understood by the WG.
JeremyC and Jos noted that they didn't see PFPS's comments as
critical.  Proposal to note that some further polishing was needed,
reflected in the status section was approved.

ACTION 2003-01-17#4 DanBri propose words for semantics LC status
section to note about further polishing needed - 1 sentence please.

[Scribe note.  This action was DONE later in the meeting:
  "The Working Group notes that this Last Call Working Draft completes
  the group's design of the formal Semantics 
]

            
APPROVED: WG agreed to publish RDF Semantics LCWD with the status change
addition above.


13: LBase Document
2002-11-01#16  danbri  team contact for publishinging LBase note

See:
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2002Oct/0046.html

DanBri reported the document is pubrules ready asks whether to
reference LCWD URLs or the 'latest' ones.  Group agreed - LCWD urls.
PatH noted there were some changes in the LBase such that the copy in
the RDF Semantics LCCWD was newer than in LBase draft.

ACTION 2003-01-17#5 DanBri: copy the LBase RDF Schema tables from the
latest version in rdf semantics into the LBase draft.

APPROVED: WG agreed to publish LBase note with the other LC working drafts.


14: Last Call Entrance Criteria

According to the W3C process document:

  http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Process-20010719/

[[Entrance criteria. Before advancing a technical report to Last Call
Working Draft, the Working Group must:

   1. fulfill the relevant requirements of the Working Group charter
   and those of any accompanying requirements documents, or document
   which relevant requirements they have not fulfilled;

   2. formally address all issues raised by Working Group
   participants, other Working Groups, the Membership, and the public
   about the Working Draft. 
]]

The WG charter may be found at:

  http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCoreWGCharter

EricM gives an overview of the LC process.

Brian asked: Do we meet the LC criteria?

The WG agreed that the group had met the criteria and was ready for
last call.


15: Last Call Vote

Propose:

 o publish all six LCC documents, with agreed changes and editors discretion
   to make trivial (typo, formatting and link) changes as last call WD's
   with last call ending 21 Feb 2003.

   Votes:
     Nokia: yes
     W3C: yes
     Mitre: yes
     Invited expert Graham Klyne: yes
     Invited expert Pat Hayes: yes
     AGFA: yes
     HP: yes
     Invited expert Mike Dean: yes
     ILRT/University of Bristol: yes
     Invited expert R.V. Guha: yes (proxied by Eric Miller)
     IWA/HWG: abstain (proxied via Brian McBride for Aaron Swartz)

   Yes:    10
   No:      0
   Abstain: 1

   DECIDED: RDF Core publishes last call Working Drafts
   -- http://www.w3.org/2003/01/17-rdfcore-irc#T15-52-07

ACTION 2003-01-17#6 EricM: publish the last call WDs and Lbase Note

EricM estimates the docs might be published on Tuesday (US public
holiday on Monday) or at the latest, Wednesday 22nd.

Meeting ends
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