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Telecon draft minutes: 2002-05-03

From: Jan Grant <Jan.Grant@bristol.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 17:20:33 +0100 (BST)
To: RDFCore Working Group <w3c-rdfcore-wg@w3.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0205031640170.2943-100000@mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk>
RDFCore WG minutes for the telecon 2002-05-15

Transcript:
	http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/rdfcore/2002-05-03

Agenda:
	http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002May/0016.html

Roll call-

Participants:

   - Jeremy Carroll
   - Dan Connolly
   - Ron Daniel
   - Mike Dean
   - Jos DeRoo
   - Jan Grant (scribe)
   - Frank Manola
   - Brian McBride (chair)
   - Eric Miller
   - Steve Petschulat

Regrets:
  Dave Beckett, Aaron Swartz, Sergei Melnik, Martin Horner,
  Dan Brickley, Pat Hayes

Review agenda:

AOB (Brian) There's a new issue from WebOnt,
	http://www.w3.org/2000/03/rdf-tracking/#rdfms-duplicate-member-props

Next telecon:
	Two week from this:
	10am Boston time, 17 May 2002


Item 5: Last week's minutes:
	http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Apr/0474.html
	http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002May/0010.html
ACCEPTED with correction.


Item 6: Confirm status of completed actions:
All accepted.


Item 7: Confirm status of withdrawn actions:
Accepted.
The action on Eric to put the IP disclosure page in place is reiterated.
Advice from W3 publications teams was to ont point to this from WDs
until it was in place. Deadline is 30 days after April 24.


Item 8: Congratulations on a swathe of new WDs:
Champagne and strawberries all round.


Item 9: Outstanding issues: 9 left:
	rdfms-duplicate-member-props moved to AOB


Item 10: Issue rdf-charmod-resources

Jeremy: there's a new datapoint on this: the XML namespace group appears
to be using US-ASCII. We should clarify this, and proceed in the light
of that clarificaion.

ACTION 2002-05-03#1 (bwm) to review charter over this issue.

ACTION 2002-05-03#2 (jjc) to ask xml-namespace editors directly how
	xmlns="andre'" and xmlns="andr%xx" are related

AOB: rdfms-duplicate-member-props


Item 11: Issue rdfs-isDefinedBy-semantics

	http://www.w3.org/2000/03/rdf-tracking/#rdfs-isDefinedBy-semantics
	http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Apr/0478.html

Aaron's proposed resolution:

 - isDefinedBy is a Property
 - it has no further semantics in the RDF Model Theory

 - further subclasses of it may be created by others
 - it is out of scope for RDF Core to create these subclasses

No dissent.
ACCEPTED: tihs proposal was accepted.

ACTION 2002-05-03#3 (em) to ensure the primer covers the techniques
	of using isDefinedBy to point to schemas

ACTION 2002-05-03#4 (em) to liase with danbri to ensure primer and
	schema stay in sync over the isDefinedBy issue


Item 12: Issue rdfs-clarify-subClass-and-instance

Proposal: the WG resolves that -
 - subClassOf and rdf:type are defined in the RDF Model Theory
 - the RDF Schema spec and RDF Primer provide adequate descriptions of
	these properties

No dissent.
ACCEPTED.

ACTION 2002-05-03#5 (bwm) to close the issue, respond to the issue
	raiser with explanatory text (taken from the primer)


Item 13: Syntax Doc: serializing b-nodes
Postponed in the absence of the document editor.


Item 14:  Issue: rdf-namespace-change
	http://www.w3.org/2000/03/rdf-tracking/#rdf-namespace-change

It was felt that the WG would be seen as setting a precedent with this
decision. We should effectively communicate how hard we've deliberated
over this issue, and how we've struggled to keep from feature-keep and
deprecation in order to justify keeping the namespaces.

ACTION 2002-05-03#6 (bwm) to take the lead on the closure of rdf-namespace-change


Item 15: defining literal equality
Postponed in the absence of Pat Hayes.


Item 16: daml:collection

DanC's thread:
	http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Apr/0334.html

Some discussion at length on this. DanC, Jos both indicated that
first/rest-style processing was much simpler in their LP systems.
DanC indicated that WebOnt didn't like the "longhand" format.

ACTION 2002-05-03#7 (danc) summarise to the list the options for
	collections, with the objections that've been raised (or
	likelihood that "they'll fly")


AOB#1: http://www.w3.org/2000/03/rdf-tracking/#rdfms-duplicate-member-props

The question posed was: should an RDF parser reject the following as
illegal?

	<rdf:Bag rdf:about="http://example.org/foo">
		<rdf:_1 rdf:resource="http://example.org/a" />
		<rdf:_1 rdf:resource="http://example.org/b" />
	</rdf:Bag>

It was decided (no dissent) -
RESOLUTION: the WG resolves that this is syntactically legal RDF

ACTION 2002-05-03#10 (jang) add a test case to the suite reflecting this
	decision (rdfms-duplicate-member-props)


AOB#2: isDefinedBy - futhter discussion

The difference between seeAlso and isDefinedBy was discussed.
FrankM: we're not looking at reopening this, we're soliciting advice as
to what to say in the primer.


AOB#3: test cases seeking approval

JanG: heads up, there are more taht need approval.
ACTION 2002-05-03#8 (jang) push omre of the pending test cases through
	formal approval


AOB#4: schedule to going to last call.

DanC: I'm keen that "last call" shouldn't be "first call". We need to
keep pushing the community to read the WDs.

ACTION 2002-05-03#9 (em) dash off a quick 5-minute email with list of
	potential groups to colicit feedback from in Hawaii


The meeting closed.




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