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Re: xml:lang [was Re: Outstanding Issues ]

From: Frank Manola <fmanola@mitre.org>
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:13:03 -0500
Message-ID: <3C6A665F.30202@mitre.org>
To: Patrick Stickler <patrick.stickler@nokia.com>
CC: Brian McBride <bwm@hplb.hpl.hp.com>, ext Dave Beckett <dave.beckett@bristol.ac.uk>, RDF Core <w3c-rdfcore-wg@w3.org>
Patrick Stickler wrote:

> On 2002-02-13 14:37, "ext Frank Manola" <fmanola@mitre.org> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Patrick Stickler wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On 2002-02-12 20:28, "ext Frank Manola" <fmanola@mitre.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Patrick says the language is non-existent in the
>>>>RDF graph.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Insofar as most examples, representations, DT discussions, etc. I.e. that
>>>based on most materials and discussions, it seems to be a rather common
>>>view that literals are simple strings. I've yet to see a single example
>>>where the literal was represented as a string-language pairing.
>>>
>>>Clearly, some implementations do treat literals as pairings.
>>>
>>>It was stated that ARP does this, but if I enter
>>>
>>>  <dc:title xml:lang="en">World Wide Web Consortium</dc:title>
>>>
>>>in the W3C RDF validator, I don't see 'en' reflected in either the
>>>triples or the graph. Is it then optional functionality not used
>>>by the validator? Or is that functionality in a later version of ARP
>>>than what is used by the validator?
>>>
>>>(this isn't a criticism or refutation, just an honest question)
>>>
>>
>>Patrick--
>>
>>Could I sum up what you just said by saying "Patrick says the language
>>is non-existent in the RDF graph"?  :-)
>>
> 
> You could say "language appears to be non-existent, insofar as many
> applications, discussions, examples, etc. fail to represent it in
> any recognisable fashion"
> 
> I'm not saying "language does not belong in the graph" or "language
> should not exist in the graph" or "M&S does not say language is in
> the graph" all of which are possible interpretations of the quote
> you propose attributing to me.


Patrick--

Sorry--I don't mean to be attributing things to you that you didn't say 
(although I note that in 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Feb/0299.html you 
DID say "At present, language is invisible (and thus IMO nonexistent) in
the RDF graph.")  [Sounds like a good example for the reification 
discussions :-) ]

Quotations to one side, I think we're agreeing that something needs to 
be explicitly said about this.


--Frank


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