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Minutes: July 20, 2001 teleconf

From: Art Barstow <barstow@w3.org>
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 12:24:38 -0400
To: w3c-rdfcore-wg@w3.org
Message-ID: <20010720122438.B30908@w3.org>
RDFCore WG 2001-07-20 Teleconference Minutes

Transcript:

 http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/rdfcore/2001-07-20

Agenda:

 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Jul/0246.html

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Roll call:

  Participants:
  - Art Barstow (scribe)
  - Dave Beckett
  - Dan Brickley
  - Brian McBride (chair)
  - Bill dehOra
  - Jan Grant
  - Martyn Horner
  - Ghram Klyne
  - Frank Manola
  - Eric Miller
  - Sergey Melnik
  - Stephen Petschulat
  - Aaron Swartz

  Regrets:
  - Dan Connolly
  - Ron Daniel
  - Jos De Roo
  - Mike Dean
  - Rael Dornfest
  - Pat Hayes
  - Yoshiyuki Kitahara
  - Ora Lassila

  Absent:
  - Frank Boumphrey
  - Renato Iannella
  - Michael Kopchenov
  - Satoshi Nakamura
  - Pierre G. Richard

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Review of Previous Action Items:

 Previous minutes:

  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Jul/0198.html

 Previous minutes APPROVED.

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Confirm Following Actions Completed

 ACTION 2001-07-13#1: Brian Acknowledge receipt of Coordination
 points between RDF(S) and DAML+OIL
 COMPLETED

 ACTION 2001-07-13#6 Brian McBride: Send out a message asking people to
  register at 
  <http://cgi.w3.org/Register/selectUser.pl?_w3c_meetingName=RDFCOREF2F>
 COMPLETED

 ACTION 2001-07-13#7 Brian McBride: Open the issues of namespaces with
 Sergey as owner
 COMPLETED

 ACTION 2001--7-13#9 Frank Manola: Clarify the choices for anonymous
 resources with some of their ramifications
 COMPLETED

 ACTION 2001-07-13#12 Brian McBride: *Provide a writeup about the use of
 anonymous resources by his colleagues
 COMPLETED

 ACTION 2001-07-13#15 Brian McBride: Writeup the pros and cons of various
 xml:lang alternatives
 COMPLETED

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Call for Any Other Business

 NO other business/issues were raised.

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Review status of following actions:

 ACTION: JUN-01-01-#9: Ora: send a note to the WG that describes
    how aboutEach is being used and how it was implemented
 COMPLETED

 ACTION: 2001-06-22#5: DanBri: Get a draft of RDFSchema to the group.
 CONTINUE

 ACTION: 2001-07-06#2 (danbri) - write test cases for the RDF schema issues
    that are impacted by literals-as-resources.
 CONTINUE

 ACTION 2001-07-13#3 Frank Manola: Draft an assessment of Coordination
    points between RDF(S) and DAML+OIL
 CONTINUE [some progress has been made]

 ACTION 2001-07-13#4 Dave Beckett: Meet with Art Barstow to decide who will
    maintain N-Triples
 COMPLETED

 ACTION 2001-07-13#5 All: Review 
    <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Jul/0039.html
 COMPLETED

 ACTION 2001-07-13#8 Pat Hayes: Produce a strawman model theory for RDF
 CONTINUE

 ACTION 2001-07-13#10 Pat Hayes: Provide his point of view on anonymous
    resources
 CONTINUE

 ACTION 2001-07-13#11 Graham Klyne: Summarize the proposals on anonymous
    resources from Frank, Pat, and any others
 CONTINUE

 ACTION 2001-07-13#13 All: Submit any anonymous resource use cases
    that you feel are important
 COMPLETED

 ACTION 2001-07-13#14 Brian McBride: Followup with Eric Miller on whether
    M&S's model of xml:lang meets the needs of his usecase
 CONTINUE

----- Agenda Items -----

#rdfms-container-formal-model

 Consider Dan Brickley's writeup:

  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Jul/0039.html

 Propose to accept Dan's recommended changes.

 DanBri: does anyone object to my proposal?
 Graham: no
 Bill: no
 Jan: no
 
Review the F2F page at:

 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/20010801-f2f/

 ACTION 2001-07-20#1 - all WG members - send regrets to Eric Miller ASAP
       if you not be able to attend the meeting.

 ACTION 2001-07-20#2 - all WG members - if you registered but are not
       on the registration list:

        http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/20010801-f2f/

       send email to Eric Miller.

 o Brian expects the schedule to be flexible and changed 

 o If the xml:lang issue is to be discussed at the the meeting, Aaron
  propose that the discussion occur on Aug 1

 o All WG members are encouraged to make 10 minute presentations.

 o Eric recommends that all 10 minute presentations include open issues
  in the implementation; ground the presentation with real experience

 o WG members that expressed an interest in making a presentation:
  Graham, Sergey, Art, Martyn, Jan.

 o Brian is concerned that Pat's model theory will not be ready for 
  the f2f.  Frank noted that DAML's A Model-Theoretic Semantics for 
  DAML+OIL paper:

   http://www.daml.org/2001/03/model-theoretic-semantics.html
 
  could be useful.

 ACTION 2001-07-20#3 - Brian - write up Pat's notes and sent it to
        the list

 ACTION 2001-07-20#4 - all WG members - send references to model
        theory proposals to the list

 ACTION 2001-07-20#5 - Sergey - summarize the model theory references

 o Eric noted that only one network connection is gauranteed at the
  meeting.  It is not clear if wireless support will be available.

 ACTION 2001-07-20#6 - DanBri - send a note to the list that 
        describes the RDF Schema issues that he wants to discuss
        at the f2f meeting

Review status of #rdfms-uri-substructure (10 mins)

  http://www.w3.org/2000/03/rdf-tracking/#rdfms-uri-substructure
 
 * See IRC log for complete discussion

Review status of #rdfms-identity-anon-resources (15 mins)

  http://www.w3.org/2000/03/rdf-tracking/#rdfms-identity-anon-resources

 Where have the discussions so far got to?  How do we propose to move
 forward?

 * See IRC log for complete discussion

 Graham: we've had lots of discussion but no consensus. I am waiting
  for Pat's comments.

 Brian: FrankM's summary was good:

  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Jul/0218.html

 ACTION 2000-07-20#7 - Graham - send additional thoughts/comments 
  to the list.  Include questions [and answers from Graham's perspective] 
  that will help clarify the issues. 

 ACTION 2000-07-20#8 - Frank - send additional thoughts/comments to the list

Review status of #rdfms-xmllang (10 mins)

  http://www.w3.org/2000/03/rdf-tracking/#rdfms-xmllang

 * See IRC log for complete discussion

 Brian summarized the issues in:

  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Jul/0197.html

 Brian: are there additional use cases we need to consider that
  provide convincing evidence that M&S needs to be changed?

 ACTION 2000-07-20#9 - Graham - create xml:lang use cases

 ACTION 2000-07-20#10 - Bill - create xml:lang use cases

 ACTION 2000-07-20#11 - Brian - propse changes that need to be made to
        clarify the M&S

 ACTION 2000-07-20#12 - FrankM - send model theory refernces to the
        list

Review status of #rdfms-literal-is-xml-structure (10 mins)

  http://www.w3.org/2000/03/rdf-tracking/#rdfms-literal-is-xml-structure

 THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION WAS ON THIS AGENDA ITEM.

Review status of #rdfms-graph (10 mins)

  http://www.w3.org/2000/03/rdf-tracking/#rdfms-graph

 THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION WAS ON THIS AGENDA ITEM.

And if we have time:

  http://www.w3.org/2000/03/rdf-tracking/#rdfms-not-id-and-resource-attr
  http://www.w3.org/2000/03/rdf-tracking/#rdfms-difference-between-ID-and-about
  http://www.w3.org/2000/03/rdf-tracking/#rdfs-domain-and-range
  http://www.w3.org/2000/03/rdf-tracking/#rdfs-domain-unconstrained
  http://www.w3.org/2000/03/rdf-tracking/#rdfms-xml-base

 THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION WAS ON THIS AGENDA ITEM.

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 July 27, 2001, 10:00am Boston time
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