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From: Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org>
Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 21:37:32 -0500
To: Axel Dahmen <w3c_ways@zoho.com>
Message-Id: <0039AA7B-DC5D-4093-9DCF-607BE3BC5D0A@w3.org>
Cc: <site-comments@w3.org>

On 2 May 2010, at 6:36 AM, Axel Dahmen wrote:

> Hi, Ian,
> thanks fr replying.
> Yes, you are right, the HTML group was quite responsive, right as  
> the CSS group was. But from one day to the other I didn't get any  
> further replies. In no mailing-list or whatsoever.

Hi Alex,

I don't exactly know how the HTML WG responds to issues that are being  
tracked in bugzilla. I had assumed that when an issue was  
"closed" (for some definition of "closed") that the commenter would  
receive notice.

> Particularly my comments/proposal on the DOM XPath JavaScript  
> binding and on Frames Through CSS seem a very important issue to me,  
> because I believe they take programming in these contexts one step  
> ahead.
> Currently I have the feeling that anything I write ends up either in  
> a Junk folder or in some killing file. The Bugzilla application on  
> HTML5 is the only channel I believe I can trust to track back my  
> content.

On the HTML WG home page:

I see both "bugzilla" and "tracker"; so tracker may offer a way to  
follow progress as well:

You may wish to write to the Team contact (Mike Smith <mike@w3.org>)  
for more information about how to track your suggestions.

  _ Ian

> (I have requested GMANE to add the site-comments mailing list to its  
> newsgroup archive. As soon as the group exists there I will continue  
> from there. I can better read/respond from a threaded environment.)
> Cheers,
> Axel Dahmen
> ---- Am Do, 29 Apr 2010 05:36:11 -0700 Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org>  
> schrieb ----
>> On 29 Apr 2010, at 1:12 AM, Axel Dahmen wrote:
>>> To whom it may concern,
>>> on the W3C website it says "Participate - W3C invites the public to
>>> participate in W3C via discussion lists, events, blogs,
>>> translations, and other means described below."
>>> After unsuccessfully trying to constructively participate in the CSS
>>> and DOM mailing lists I now don't believe that the above claim is
>>> actually lived.
>>> I have made a few contributions pointing to missing features in
>>> existing standards and trying to enhance upcoming standards. Yet I
>>> don't get a reaction on my postings.
>>> Once I had a constructive discussion in the CSS mailing list but
>>> that ceased from one day to another. My contributions to the DOM are
>>> plainly disregarded.
>>> This is very frustrating, particularly because my contributions are
>>> not junk I just throw into public. For most of them I have been
>>> revising and researching the background to my comments for almost a
>>> week.
>>> Is ignoring contributions the way the W3C understands the term
>>> "participate"?
>>> Your response is highly appreciated. Even to this e-mail.
>> Hello Axel,
>> I've looked around the archives a bit. For instance, I see a response
>> from the HTML WG editor regarding one of your proposals:
>> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9337
>> And I see a discussion here:
>> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6155
>> And here:
>> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9235
>> I have not looked at all of the threads on which you participated or
>> sent ideas (and I have not looked for comments related to the Dom).
>> But I do see discussion and contributions from a variety of people on
>> the list. For the comments I looked at, your suggestions were not
>> simply ignored. It does look like the HTML WG has not taken them up.
>> That is a separate matter, and I do understand that that WG has a  
>> high
>> bar for accepting proposals, from people formally in the WG or  
>> anybody
>> else.
>> The HTML WG adopted a decision policy in November 2009 [1]. I believe
>> that the policy sets the expectation that the Editor will make a
>> certain number of decisions on behalf of the group, and if those who
>> send comments are not satisfied with the Editor's decision, there is
>> an escalation process to the WG. I have not researched whether you
>> have pursued the escalation path.
>> _ Ian
>> [1] http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/decision-policy.html
>>> Yours, sincerely,
>>> Axel Dahmen
>>> www.axeldahmen.de
>> -- 
>> Ian Jacobs (ij@w3.org) http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/
>> Tel: +1 718 260 9447

Ian Jacobs (ij@w3.org)    http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/
Tel:                                      +1 718 260 9447
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