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Re: Participating in W3C Standards Development‏

From: Axel Dahmen <w3c_ways@zoho.com>
Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 04:36:03 -0700
To: <ij@w3.org>
Cc: <site-comments@w3.org>
Message-ID: <12858cd36fc.-2410444297211231661.-171466882176938638@zoho.com>
Hi, Ian,

thanks für replying.

Yes, you are right, the HTML group was quite responsive, right as the CSS group was. But from one day to the other I didn't get any further replies. In no mailing-list or whatsoever.

Particularly my comments/proposal on the DOM XPath JavaScript binding and on Frames Through CSS seem a very important issue to me, because I believe they take programming in these contexts one step ahead.

Currently I have the feeling that anything I write ends up either in a Junk folder or in some killing file. The Bugzilla application on HTML5 is the only channel I believe I can trust to track back my content.

(I have requested GMANE to add the site-comments mailing list to its newsgroup archive. As soon as the group exists there I will continue from there. I can better read/respond from a threaded environment.)

Cheers,
Axel Dahmen





---- Am Do, 29 Apr 2010 05:36:11 -0700 Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org> schrieb ---- 

>On 29 Apr 2010, at 1:12 AM, Axel Dahmen wrote: 
> 
>> To whom it may concern, 
>> 
>> on the W3C website it says "Participate - W3C invites the public to 
>> participate in W3C via discussion lists, events, blogs, 
>> translations, and other means described below." 
>> 
>> After unsuccessfully trying to constructively participate in the CSS 
>> and DOM mailing lists I now don't believe that the above claim is 
>> actually lived. 
>> 
>> I have made a few contributions pointing to missing features in 
>> existing standards and trying to enhance upcoming standards. Yet I 
>> don't get a reaction on my postings. 
>> 
>> Once I had a constructive discussion in the CSS mailing list but 
>> that ceased from one day to another. My contributions to the DOM are 
>> plainly disregarded. 
>> 
>> This is very frustrating, particularly because my contributions are 
>> not junk I just throw into public. For most of them I have been 
>> revising and researching the background to my comments for almost a 
>> week. 
>> 
>> 
>> Is ignoring contributions the way the W3C understands the term 
>> "participate"? 
>> 
>> Your response is highly appreciated. Even to this e-mail. 
> 
>Hello Axel, 
> 
>I've looked around the archives a bit. For instance, I see a response 
>from the HTML WG editor regarding one of your proposals: 
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9337 
> 
>And I see a discussion here: 
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6155 
> 
>And here: 
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9235 
> 
>I have not looked at all of the threads on which you participated or 
>sent ideas (and I have not looked for comments related to the Dom). 
>But I do see discussion and contributions from a variety of people on 
>the list. For the comments I looked at, your suggestions were not 
>simply ignored. It does look like the HTML WG has not taken them up. 
>That is a separate matter, and I do understand that that WG has a high 
>bar for accepting proposals, from people formally in the WG or anybody 
>else. 
> 
>The HTML WG adopted a decision policy in November 2009 [1]. I believe 
>that the policy sets the expectation that the Editor will make a 
>certain number of decisions on behalf of the group, and if those who 
>send comments are not satisfied with the Editor's decision, there is 
>an escalation process to the WG. I have not researched whether you 
>have pursued the escalation path. 
> 
> _ Ian 
> 
>[1] http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/decision-policy.html 
> 
>> 
>> Yours, sincerely, 
>> Axel Dahmen 
>> www.axeldahmen.de 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
>-- 
>Ian Jacobs (ij@w3.org) http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/ 
>Tel: +1 718 260 9447
>
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