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Re: Updating the VoID spec

From: Dave Reynolds <dave.e.reynolds@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2015 12:36:37 +0100
Message-ID: <55C1F545.50206@gmail.com>
To: Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>, semantic-web@w3.org

On 05/08/15 12:25, Phil Archer wrote:
> Hi Dave,
>
> On 05/08/2015 11:39, Dave Reynolds wrote:
>> Hi Phil,
>>
>> Do you really mean to change the namespace?
>
> No, of course not, for the reasons you cite. But as of now, the owners
> of the vocab *have* moved it to a new location (and promised to get
> *that* back online) and, as there's a doc in /TR space that refers to
> it, something needs to be updated on our side.

Actually I thought the owners had just offered to move the hosting, not 
change the namespace.

As of right now:

    http://rdfs.org/ns/void

redirects to:

    http://vocab.deri.ie/void

But the namespace in the dereferenced document remains 
http://rdfs.org/ns/void#

Dave

> Something like this has been lurking as a future problem for a long time
> of course so part of my strategy here is to see how the community at
> large reacts to this real world case - and then see how W3C might be
> able to help, bearing in mind all the usual sustainability issues.
>
> Phil.
>
>>
>> That would mean that all existing tools that access void would cease to
>> work on new data and would have to be rewritten to look for properties
>> in both namespaces and/or all existing datasets mentioning void would
>> have to be rewritten to be conformant with the revised spec.
>>
>> The vocabulary ceasing to dereference is a minor inconvenience. Changing
>> the namespace impacts all data and is a *much* bigger deal.
>>
>> An alternative might be to leave the namespace unchanged but add a
>> comment in the document that the namespace no longer resolves and that
>> copies of the vocabulary can be obtained from X (whether that's Insight
>> or W3c or both).
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On 05/08/15 11:17, Phil Archer wrote:
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> Following the demise of rdfs.org [1] and INSIGHT's statement of intent
>>> to maintain vocab.deri.ie [2], we need to update the specification
>>> document at http://www.w3.org/TR/void/
>>>
>>> The current version [3] points to the rdfs.org namespace of course.
>>>
>>> I've created a GitHub repository for the SWIG [4] and, within that, have
>>> had a first pass at updating the voID document [5].
>>>
>>> The offer remains on the table to host the VoID vocabulary at
>>> www.w3.org/ns/void. At the time of writing, vocab.deri.ie remains
>>> unavailable.
>>>
>>> The major change is, of course, the change in namespace, but there are
>>> many references in that document that are out of date so I've had to do
>>> more than just search and replace the namespace URI. For example, since
>>> VoID was written, RDF 1.1 has been finalised etc. Changes are listed in
>>> the change log at the end of the document.
>>>
>>> The W3C process for updating the document is pretty simple in this case
>>> [6]. We just need to make sure that members of this Interest Group -
>>> i.e. this mailing list - are content with the changes and then Dan, as
>>> SWIG chair, can call a vote (by e-mail).
>>>
>>> The doc in the GH repo has a suggested date for the new publication of
>>> 18 August but there's no need to feel tied to that. If you want write
>>> access to the repo, please just let me know your relevant ID.
>>> Suggestions for improvements are welcome of course.
>>>
>>> HTH
>>>
>>> Phil.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/2015Aug/0010.html
>>> [2] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/2015Aug/0013.html
>>> [3] http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/NOTE-void-20110303/
>>> [4] https://github.com/w3c/swig/
>>> [5] http://w3c.github.io/swig/void/
>>> [6] http://www.w3.org/2014/Process-20140801/#Note
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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