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Re: Updating the VoID spec

From: Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 12:52:14 +0100
To: Dave Reynolds <dave.e.reynolds@gmail.com>, semantic-web@w3.org
Message-ID: <55C1F8EE.2050708@w3.org>
Right, good. Since this all started yesterday clearly things have moved 
on quickly since both domain names are functional now as you say (and 
this time yesterday were not).

That's a welcome change and, yes, means that we don't need to make any 
changes to anything.

Good.



On 05/08/2015 12:36, Dave Reynolds wrote:
>
> On 05/08/15 12:25, Phil Archer wrote:
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> On 05/08/2015 11:39, Dave Reynolds wrote:
>>> Hi Phil,
>>>
>>> Do you really mean to change the namespace?
>>
>> No, of course not, for the reasons you cite. But as of now, the owners
>> of the vocab *have* moved it to a new location (and promised to get
>> *that* back online) and, as there's a doc in /TR space that refers to
>> it, something needs to be updated on our side.
>
> Actually I thought the owners had just offered to move the hosting, not
> change the namespace.
>
> As of right now:
>
>     http://rdfs.org/ns/void
>
> redirects to:
>
>     http://vocab.deri.ie/void
>
> But the namespace in the dereferenced document remains
> http://rdfs.org/ns/void#
>
> Dave
>
>> Something like this has been lurking as a future problem for a long time
>> of course so part of my strategy here is to see how the community at
>> large reacts to this real world case - and then see how W3C might be
>> able to help, bearing in mind all the usual sustainability issues.
>>
>> Phil.
>>
>>>
>>> That would mean that all existing tools that access void would cease to
>>> work on new data and would have to be rewritten to look for properties
>>> in both namespaces and/or all existing datasets mentioning void would
>>> have to be rewritten to be conformant with the revised spec.
>>>
>>> The vocabulary ceasing to dereference is a minor inconvenience. Changing
>>> the namespace impacts all data and is a *much* bigger deal.
>>>
>>> An alternative might be to leave the namespace unchanged but add a
>>> comment in the document that the namespace no longer resolves and that
>>> copies of the vocabulary can be obtained from X (whether that's Insight
>>> or W3c or both).
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On 05/08/15 11:17, Phil Archer wrote:
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> Following the demise of rdfs.org [1] and INSIGHT's statement of intent
>>>> to maintain vocab.deri.ie [2], we need to update the specification
>>>> document at http://www.w3.org/TR/void/
>>>>
>>>> The current version [3] points to the rdfs.org namespace of course.
>>>>
>>>> I've created a GitHub repository for the SWIG [4] and, within that,
>>>> have
>>>> had a first pass at updating the voID document [5].
>>>>
>>>> The offer remains on the table to host the VoID vocabulary at
>>>> www.w3.org/ns/void. At the time of writing, vocab.deri.ie remains
>>>> unavailable.
>>>>
>>>> The major change is, of course, the change in namespace, but there are
>>>> many references in that document that are out of date so I've had to do
>>>> more than just search and replace the namespace URI. For example, since
>>>> VoID was written, RDF 1.1 has been finalised etc. Changes are listed in
>>>> the change log at the end of the document.
>>>>
>>>> The W3C process for updating the document is pretty simple in this case
>>>> [6]. We just need to make sure that members of this Interest Group -
>>>> i.e. this mailing list - are content with the changes and then Dan, as
>>>> SWIG chair, can call a vote (by e-mail).
>>>>
>>>> The doc in the GH repo has a suggested date for the new publication of
>>>> 18 August but there's no need to feel tied to that. If you want write
>>>> access to the repo, please just let me know your relevant ID.
>>>> Suggestions for improvements are welcome of course.
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>>
>>>> Phil.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/2015Aug/0010.html
>>>> [2] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/2015Aug/0013.html
>>>> [3] http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/NOTE-void-20110303/
>>>> [4] https://github.com/w3c/swig/
>>>> [5] http://w3c.github.io/swig/void/
>>>> [6] http://www.w3.org/2014/Process-20140801/#Note
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

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