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Re: Additional usages for Semanticweb.org

From: Bernadette Hyland <bhyland@3roundstones.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 11:51:56 -0500
Cc: Hugh Glaser <hg@ecs.soton.ac.uk>, Yury Katkov <katkov.juriy@gmail.com>, Semantic Web <semantic-web@w3.org>, Markus Krötzsch <markus.kroetzsch@cs.ox.ac.uk>, Bernadette Hyland <bhyland@3roundstones.com>
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To: Stefan Decker <stefan.decker@deri.org>
Hi Stefan,
Agree that wikipedia company descriptions are much richer, no argument.  I'd love to see the community directory evolve to that level of richness.

I'm all for 'best of all worlds', reusable data, rich descriptions, extensibility and ease of use, however, we should allow room for multiple sites that have different and potentially complementary goals.  The semanticweb.org main page says it is focused on listing tools, events and ontologies. 

The Community Directory contains a global listing of systems integrators, contractors, training organizations, consultants, and research communities involved in publishing and consuming Linked Data.  This directory is open, regardless of W3C affiliation.

Ideally, the W3C community directory will be a place that other sites can pull from automagically precisely because it is a Linked Data app. It is structured data, triples up & down, (no mySQL under the hood as is the case with Mediawiki).  It was designed using a FLOSS Linked Data management system to show the value of Linked Data as more than a nice by-product.  

Any feedback you have is welcome and will be thoughtfully considered this month at the Gov't Linked Data WG's upcoming F2F later this month.  There is lots of interest in this type of content made available as LOD and hands to make it happen (hopefully!)  Thanks in advance.

Cheers,
Bernadette Hyland

On Jan 16, 2012, at 12:25 PM, Stefan Decker wrote:

> Hugh,
> 
> the directory/table style information seems to be very limited.
> Wikipedia descriptions of e.g., Microsoft or IBM.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM
> are a lot richer than the directory information contained at the W3C
> site or the STI site.
> So maybe the Semantic Mediawiki style approach combines the best of
> all worlds - reusable catalog metadata, rich descriptions, easy
> extensibility - into one approach?
> 
> Best,
> 
> Stefan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Hugh Glaser <hg@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
>> Eeek!
>> Please, not Yet Another Directory of companies, tools, projects.
>> There are already quite few of these, I think, all expecting people to come along and edit them.
>> This one went through the list only a couple of months ago.
>> http://dir.w3.org/directory/categories_list.xhtml?construct
>> then for projects there is
>> http://www.w3.org/wiki/SweoIG/TaskForces/CommunityProjects/LinkingOpenData#Research_Projects_focusing_on_Linked_Data
>> 
>> Of course, if there is a Semantic Web solution so I only have to provide my data once (or even by publishing an RDF file?)... :-)
>> 
>> Well done all resurrecting semantic web.org.
>> Hugh
>> 
>> On 16 Jan 2012, at 09:16, Stefan Decker wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I think this is an excellent idea.
>>> In the early days we had this with business.semanticweb.org - but it makes
>>> a lot more sense to integrate it into the main site.
>>> To give it a head start maybe a few of us (you, Michael, Markus)
>>> add a number of obvious candidates.
>>> 
>>> Best.
>>> 
>>> Stefan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 11:19 PM, Yury Katkov <katkov.juriy@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi!
>>>> 
>>>> One of the use cases for semanticweb.org can be collecting informations
>>>> about SW companies. This can be benefitial both for the resourse, for the
>>>> company and for end users who want to know, what companies are making
>>>> business related to the Semantic Web.
>>>> 1) It's good for semanticweb.org because wiki will be used more intencively.
>>>> Some of the companies will eventually decide to post information about their
>>>> projects.
>>>> 2) It's good for companies. Some of them are too small to be in Wikipedia,
>>>> but can experience a need in self-promotion and search engine optimization.
>>>> Semanticweb.org rank on Alexa.com is big enough and Semantic MediaWiki can
>>>> provide Rich snippets for popular engines so that search results will be
>>>> prettier.
>>>> 3) It's good for user who is interesing in semantic web technologies - a
>>>> younger scientist can make a good survey of the companies, a potential
>>>> customer of semanticweb solutions can have centralized entry point for
>>>> search the company she needs.
>>>> 
>>>> Presently there are some companies described on a wiki. But there is no
>>>> infobox for them and the are not shown on the Main page.
>>>> 
>>>> Sincerely yours,
>>>> -----
>>>> Yury Katkov
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Stefan Decker <stefan.decker@deri.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> A recent proposal we are working on is to establish a vocabulary editing
>>>>> facility under SemanticWeb.org,
>>>>> If there are suggestions for usages of SemanticWeb.org
>>>>> we would look forward to hear about those!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Stefan
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 11:25 PM, Dieter Fensel <dieter.fensel@sti2.at>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Tim,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> as Stefan, I think this is a great proposal of you!! I appreciate very
>>>>>> much
>>>>>> your kind offer in supporting
>>>>>> the community in archiving the past.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Do you also have some proposals in mind on how we should support the
>>>>>> future
>>>>>> evolvement
>>>>>> of this information source?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Looking forward your advice,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dieter
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> At 05:42 PM 1/13/2012, Tim Berners-Lee wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It's not an offer, I'm just saying we have one that in the past.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> For any future project we'd have to understand what is needed and what
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> would take
>>>>>>> to do, before we could offer anything.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2012-01 -13, at 09:46, Stefan Decker wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Tim,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> this is a great offer!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>> Stefan
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Tim Berners-Lee <timbl@w3.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> This is indeed an important issue for the community.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> One community service that W3C has provided in the past has been to
>>>>>>>>> take over the service of a domain, like daml.org, which hosts
>>>>>>>>> ontologies which may be used by all kinds of people, but whose
>>>>>>>>> development has stopped.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Also, we have come to agreements with some domain hosts which
>>>>>>>>> have sem web ontologies that if they wrap up the project or the
>>>>>>>>> organization
>>>>>>>>> we will take over the domain in the future.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> W3C itself has a persistence policy which commits that we will do
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>> with another public interest hosting organization should we ever
>>>>>>>>> wrap up W3C.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I could ask folks whether we could do this for *.semanticweb.org
>>>>>>>>> domains
>>>>>>>>> which are no longer being modified.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 2012-01 -13, at 04:04, Michael Hausenblas wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> This is only weakly related to this wiki site discussion but
>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>> be easy to solve anyway. Short answers:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> * Subdomains of semanticweb.org are managed independently and
>>>>>>>>>>> (mainly) on different servers run by different people. The
>>>>>>>>>>> responsibility is
>>>>>>>>>>> with the people who asked for the subdomain. Stefan Decker is
>>>>>>>>>>> managing the
>>>>>>>>>>> domain registration and should know who is responsible in cases
>>>>>>>>>>> where it is
>>>>>>>>>>> not clear from the web page.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Exactly.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> * Content of earlier versions of semanticweb.org has not been
>>>>>>>>>>> migrated in the last relaunch of the site a few years ago. As long
>>>>>>>>>>> as it is
>>>>>>>>>>> just static HTML content that does not conflict with new content
>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e., if
>>>>>>>>>>> there is nothing else under that URL now), it would be possible to
>>>>>>>>>>> put it
>>>>>>>>>>> back into its place. To do this, please send me an email with the
>>>>>>>>>>> archived
>>>>>>>>>>> HTML content and let me know where to put it. I do not have access
>>>>>>>>>>> to any
>>>>>>>>>>> old versions of the site, so I cannot help in finding the old
>>>>>>>>>>> content.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> How did that happen?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should also have a look at
>>>>>>>>>> http://semanticweb.org/wiki/Special:PopularPages to figure what is
>>>>>>>>>> relevant
>>>>>>>>>> or not (modulo person-pages and long tail). Happy to invest some
>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>> content-wise ...
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>       Michael
>>>>>>>>>> -[...]
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Professor Stefan Decker
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Director, Digital Enterprise Research Institute,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Professor of Digital Enterprise
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> National University of Ireland, Galway. Ireland.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Tel: +353.91.495011
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> E-mail: stefan.decker@deri.org
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Web: http://www.deri.ie
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Personal: http://www.stefandecker.org
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Dieter Fensel
>>>>>> Director STI Innsbruck, University of Innsbruck, Austria
>>>>>> http://www.sti-innsbruck.at/
>>>>>> phone: +43-512-507-6488/5, fax: +43-512-507-9872
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Professor Stefan Decker
>>>>> 
>>>>> Director, Digital Enterprise Research Institute,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Professor of Digital Enterprise
>>>>> 
>>>>> National University of Ireland, Galway. Ireland.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tel: +353.91.495011
>>>>> 
>>>>> E-mail: stefan.decker@deri.org
>>>>> 
>>>>> Web: http://www.deri.ie
>>>>> 
>>>>> Personal: http://www.stefandecker.org
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Professor Stefan Decker
>>> 
>>> Director, Digital Enterprise Research Institute,
>>> 
>>> Professor of Digital Enterprise
>>> 
>>> National University of Ireland, Galway. Ireland.
>>> 
>>> Tel: +353.91.495011
>>> 
>>> E-mail: stefan.decker@deri.org
>>> 
>>> Web: http://www.deri.ie
>>> 
>>> Personal: http://www.stefandecker.org
>>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Hugh Glaser,
>>             Web and Internet Science
>>             Electronics and Computer Science,
>>             University of Southampton,
>>             Southampton SO17 1BJ
>> Work: +44 23 8059 3670, Fax: +44 23 8059 3045
>> Mobile: +44 75 9533 4155 , Home: +44 23 8061 5652
>> http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~hg/
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Professor Stefan Decker
> 
> Director, Digital Enterprise Research Institute,
> 
> Professor of Digital Enterprise
> 
> National University of Ireland, Galway. Ireland.
> 
> Tel: +353.91.495011
> 
> E-mail: stefan.decker@deri.org
> 
> Web: http://www.deri.ie
> 
> Personal: http://www.stefandecker.org
> 
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