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Re: More information about XMLified, HTML

From: adasal <adam.saltiel@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 11:02:42 +0000
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=_8dvLXytgRNiUSdKOZKS+Yj0Q508H2GyfZ2A3@mail.gmail.com>
To: Antoine Zimmermann <antoine.zimmermann@insa-lyon.fr>
Cc: nathan@webr3.org, Kamler Hammez <hammezkam@gmail.com>, semantic-web@w3.org
Antoine,
Yes, you are right of course.

Best,
Adam

On 13 December 2010 10:06, Antoine Zimmermann <
antoine.zimmermann@insa-lyon.fr> wrote:

> Le 12/12/2010 16:35, adasal a écrit :
>
>  Antoine,
>> When you say '...and turning HTML pages into valid XML is not something
>> addressed by the semantic web' I am not sure what you mean. What is the
>> 'semantic web' here?
>>
>
> By "semantic web" I don't mean something very specific but it definitely is
> about RDF, not XML and HTML, although you can have RDF in XML or embed RDF
> in HTML via RDFa.
>
>
>  I think it is addressed by a python tool here
>>
>> http://code.google.com/p/semantic-fire/
>>
>
> This does not convert HTML pages into well-formed XML. This addresses the
> issue that is raised on Semantic Overflow as pointed out by Kammler Hammez
> but is not relevant for the subject of this thread.
>
>
>  and there must be other tools, too, but I don't have references to hand.
>>
>> Generally the problem is referred to as Lifting, although this is
>> restricted
>> to XML -->  RDF and RDF -->  some expressive representation of the
>> semantics
>> contained. So XML -->  RDFa would be an example.
>> This leaves the problem of HTML -->  XML. I'm not sure that HTMLtidy will
>> get
>> all the way here though.
>>
>
> HTML Tidy turns a HTML web page into a well-formed XML document. Again,
> there's nothing related to RDF and it has nothing semantic, it's pure
> syntactical transformation.
> But if you have XML documents instead of messy HTML pages (as most webpages
> online are), you can use XML-specific tools to, for instance, generate RDF
> or something else. But this does not make the "XMLification" a semantic web
> issue.
>
>
>  I haven't used semantic fire but is should be capable of the task.
>>
>
> Semantic Fire generates RDF, which is not the subject of this thread but
> thanks for mentioning it, may be useful for other tasks.
>
>
> Regards,
> AZ.
>
>
>
>> Best,
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On 11 December 2010 06:27, Antoine Zimmermann<
>> antoine.zimmermann@insa-lyon.fr>  wrote:
>>
>>  XMLified is not an existing word. I used it as I could have said RDFising
>>> data or SPARQLising queries or whatever. The meaning is exactly what
>>> Nathan
>>> said, that is, something that is turned into valid XML. For HTML pages,
>>> it
>>> can be done by using HTML Tidy. It is not a semantic web term and turning
>>> HTML pages into valid XML is not something addressed by the semantic web.
>>>
>>> AZ.
>>>
>>> Le 11/12/2010 00:20, Nathan a écrit :
>>>
>>>  Kamler Hammez wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'am a bit lost and finding few documents, but what could be a simple
>>>>> definition of XMLified with HTML pages? And what are relationships
>>>>> that may exisit between both?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Could you give some background on why you're asking the question?
>>>> XMLified isn't a usual term to hear around the semantic web space
>>>> (perhaps I'm wrong) - my immediate thought is:
>>>>
>>>> XMLified = something thing that has been turned in to valid XML
>>>> XMLified HTML = XHTML
>>>>
>>>> However, I'm unsure what that has to do with the semantic web or why
>>>> you're asking?
>>>>
>>>> Hoping to help more,
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Nathan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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