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Re: More information about XMLified, HTML

From: Kamler Hammez <hammezkam@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:27:47 +0100
Message-ID: <AANLkTikDdYz6QdTymQPt9NNePMV3tC8FrtZ12juKeAd2@mail.gmail.com>
To: adasal <adam.saltiel@gmail.com>
Cc: semantic-web@w3.org
Thanks all for your explanations, and indeed mentionning Semantic Fire will
 be also helpfull for me on further tasks.

Cheers,
Kamler

2010/12/13 adasal <adam.saltiel@gmail.com>

> Antoine,
> Yes, you are right of course.
>
> Best,
> Adam
>
>
> On 13 December 2010 10:06, Antoine Zimmermann <
> antoine.zimmermann@insa-lyon.fr> wrote:
>
>> Le 12/12/2010 16:35, adasal a écrit :
>>
>>  Antoine,
>>> When you say '...and turning HTML pages into valid XML is not something
>>> addressed by the semantic web' I am not sure what you mean. What is the
>>> 'semantic web' here?
>>>
>>
>> By "semantic web" I don't mean something very specific but it definitely
>> is about RDF, not XML and HTML, although you can have RDF in XML or embed
>> RDF in HTML via RDFa.
>>
>>
>>  I think it is addressed by a python tool here
>>>
>>> http://code.google.com/p/semantic-fire/
>>>
>>
>> This does not convert HTML pages into well-formed XML. This addresses the
>> issue that is raised on Semantic Overflow as pointed out by Kammler Hammez
>> but is not relevant for the subject of this thread.
>>
>>
>>  and there must be other tools, too, but I don't have references to hand.
>>>
>>> Generally the problem is referred to as Lifting, although this is
>>> restricted
>>> to XML -->  RDF and RDF -->  some expressive representation of the
>>> semantics
>>> contained. So XML -->  RDFa would be an example.
>>> This leaves the problem of HTML -->  XML. I'm not sure that HTMLtidy will
>>> get
>>> all the way here though.
>>>
>>
>> HTML Tidy turns a HTML web page into a well-formed XML document. Again,
>> there's nothing related to RDF and it has nothing semantic, it's pure
>> syntactical transformation.
>> But if you have XML documents instead of messy HTML pages (as most
>> webpages online are), you can use XML-specific tools to, for instance,
>> generate RDF or something else. But this does not make the "XMLification" a
>> semantic web issue.
>>
>>
>>  I haven't used semantic fire but is should be capable of the task.
>>>
>>
>> Semantic Fire generates RDF, which is not the subject of this thread but
>> thanks for mentioning it, may be useful for other tasks.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> AZ.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> On 11 December 2010 06:27, Antoine Zimmermann<
>>> antoine.zimmermann@insa-lyon.fr>  wrote:
>>>
>>>  XMLified is not an existing word. I used it as I could have said
>>>> RDFising
>>>> data or SPARQLising queries or whatever. The meaning is exactly what
>>>> Nathan
>>>> said, that is, something that is turned into valid XML. For HTML pages,
>>>> it
>>>> can be done by using HTML Tidy. It is not a semantic web term and
>>>> turning
>>>> HTML pages into valid XML is not something addressed by the semantic
>>>> web.
>>>>
>>>> AZ.
>>>>
>>>> Le 11/12/2010 00:20, Nathan a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>  Kamler Hammez wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'am a bit lost and finding few documents, but what could be a simple
>>>>>> definition of XMLified with HTML pages? And what are relationships
>>>>>> that may exisit between both?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Could you give some background on why you're asking the question?
>>>>> XMLified isn't a usual term to hear around the semantic web space
>>>>> (perhaps I'm wrong) - my immediate thought is:
>>>>>
>>>>> XMLified = something thing that has been turned in to valid XML
>>>>> XMLified HTML = XHTML
>>>>>
>>>>> However, I'm unsure what that has to do with the semantic web or why
>>>>> you're asking?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hoping to help more,
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Nathan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Antoine Zimmermann
>> Researcher at:
>> Laboratoire d'InfoRmatique en Image et Systèmes d'information
>> Database Group
>> 7 Avenue Jean Capelle
>> 69621 Villeurbanne Cedex
>> France
>> Lecturer at:
>> Institut National des Sciences Appliquées de Lyon
>> 20 Avenue Albert Einstein
>> 69621 Villeurbanne Cedex
>> France
>>
>> antoine.zimmermann@insa-lyon.fr
>> http://zimmer.aprilfoolsreview.com/
>>
>
>


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Kamler  Hammez
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