- From: Azamat <abdoul@cytanet.com.cy>
- Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:13:54 +0300
- To: "leo" <leo@mgn.ru>
- Cc: "'SW-forum'" <semantic-web@w3.org>, <timbl@w3.org>
Leonid, What i wrote in Russian: I am ready to discuss a policy of cooperation with the VSM community as well as with EPISTLE people as well as with your group in Russia. The project for such cooperation might be Global Risk Management Ontology, possible funding a FP7 ICT research project, funding scheme, multi-national collaboration project, proposal submission, now. For all the organizational and administrative issues please refer to Ms Paola Di Maio, paola.dimaio@gmail.com. The offer is open for all the good minds feeling concerned about the life-or-death matter. Azamat Abdoullaev EIS Encyclopedic Intelligent Systems Ltd CYPRUS, RUSSIA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leonid Ototsky" <leo@mgn.ru> To: "Azamat Abdoullaev" <abdoul@cytanet.com.cy> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:52 PM Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Disaster management ontologies? > Azamat, > Sorry I can't to "decode" your reply :-( > > Leonid > > Вы писали 24 апреля 2007 г., 8:20:24: > >> I have organized already a communication of the VSM community not >>> only with common ONTOLOGY community but with the leader of the >>> EPISTLE Core Model - Matthew West. The both correspondents live in >>> London. >> ??????, ? ??????????? ????? ???????? ??????????????. >> ?????? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Leonid Ototsky" <leo@mgn.ru> >> To: "Azamat" <abdoul@cytanet.com.cy> >> Cc: "'SW-forum'" <semantic-web@w3.org>; <timbl@w3.org> >> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 9:34 AM >> Subject: Re: Re: Re: Disaster management ontologies? > > >>> Azamat, >>>> AA: Certainly, it will be only to good account. The mater is too >>>> significant >>>> to be only under the SW community umbrella. But to unite all the >>>> intelligent >>>> labour ( as it happens with the world proletariat), one need a great >>>> unifying idea of global ontology (as it is communism), of course, >>>> promted >>>> with goodwill. >>> >>> Suppose such "unifing idea" is the VSM of Stafford Beer :-) >>> At the System 5 level of the VSM he uses the McCulloch's idea of the >>> "Redundancy of Potential Command" . It is priniple for a >>> "globalization" of "Horisontal Communications" . A principle new >>> possibilities for this give the Web ! Therefore now there must be a >>> new wave of interest to the Beer's heritage. >>>> >>> Leonid >>> >>> >>> Вы писали 18 апреля 2007 г., 1:25:53: >>> >>> >>>> Hi, Leonid, >>> >>>> You have a good point. But to start any large-scale ontology >>>> application >>>> projects, like SW, all the stakeholders need first to decide the >>>> principal >>>> 'ideological' issue [as we always had been learnt in the USSR's times]: >>>> EITHER >>>> 1.To encode human learning (on key changes in the world, e.g., global >>>> risks, >>>> disasters) in diverse upper and specific logical ontologies using >>>> different >>>> formal representation and reasoning languages; >>>> OR >>>> 2. To encode human knowledge (on key changes in the world, e.g., global >>>> risks, disasters) in a single dynamic global ontology using a unifying >>>> representation language of reality. >>> >>>> See my other comments interspersed. >>>> Regards, >>>> Azamat Abdoullaev >>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leonid Ototsky" <leo@mgn.ru> >>>> To: "Azamat Abdoullaev" <abdoul@cytanet.com.cy> >>>> Cc: <semantic-web@w3.org>; "Tim Berners-Lee" <timbl@w3.org> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 7:36 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Re: Disaster management ontologies? >>> >>> >>> >>>> Azamat , >>>> Suppose it is very important ! As first steps it will be good to >>>> organize close communications with another communities around. >>>> For example with the ONTOLOG community which activity is around Upper >>>> Ontologies - http://ontolog.cim3.net/. >>> >>>> AA: That's my proposal as well, to pull all the resources, intellectual >>>> and >>>> financial, regardless which team you are playing for. But just think >>>> how >>>> to >>>> do this devilish job if the number of the ontology-concerned >>>> communities >>>> as >>>> various as: >>>> Formal ontology communities; >>>> Semantic Web communities; >>>> Linguistic communities; >>>> Concept Map community; >>>> Topic Map community; >>>> SEARCH communities; >>>> Web 2.0 communities; >>>> Thesauri community; >>>> Taxonomy communities; >>>> Metadata communities; >>>> XML communities; >>>> Applications Development, Software Engineering and Information >>>> Model >>>> communities; >>>> System Architecture communities; >>>> Biomedical communities; >>>> Standards Development communities; >>>> Other >>>> Accordinly, you meet many idiosyncratic interpretations of ontology: of >>>> 53 >>>> OntologySummit 2007 Survey individual responses, only few >>>> interpetations >>>> seem close to reality, ''a conceptual and semantic model of reality' >>>> (PDM) >>>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2007_Survey. >>> >>>> They have already a reference to the Stafford Beer community (VSM) >>>> >>>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?RelevantEventsOfInterest2007 >>>> (see 9-10 of March). Suppose it will be helpful for the Semantic-Web >>>> community to have close communications with VSM community too.! >>>> http://cybernetics-society.wikispaces.com/ >>> >>>> AA: Certainly, it will be only to good account. The mater is too >>>> significant >>>> to be only under the SW community umbrella. But to unite all the >>>> intelligent >>>> labour ( as it happens with the world proletariat), one need a great >>>> unifying idea of global ontology (as it is communism), of course, >>>> promted >>>> with goodwill. >>> >>>> Best, >>>> Leonid Otosky - http://ototsky.mgn.ru/it >>>> - >>> >>>> Вы писали 18 апреля 2007 г., 3:16:07: >>> >>> >>>>> To: Tim Berners-Lee and to whom it may concern, >>> >>> >>>>> On this life-or-death issue, there is a useful review made by Paola >>>>> Di >>>>> Maio: 'An Open Ontology for Open Source Emergency Response System', >>>>> http://opensource.mit.edu/papers/TOWARDS_AN_OPEN_ONTOLOGY_FOR_ER.pdf >>> >>>>> But more integrative approach to the matter has been proposed by the >>>>> World >>>>> Economic Forum Global Risk Network, where cataclysmic events as >>>>> disasters >>>>> and catastrophes fall into an interconnected network of global risks, >>>>> such >>>>> as environmental, economic, geopolitical, societal, and >>>>> technological: >>>>> www.weforum.org/pdf/CSI/Global_Risks_2007.pdf. >>> >>>>> IMHO, to integrate human knowledge and understanding on existing and >>>>> possible risks (hazards, dangers, or perils) of planetary >>>>> significance, >>>>> we >>>>> rather need to pull all the resources for building a Global Risk >>>>> Management >>>>> System, driven by a global risk management ontology with predictive >>>>> causal >>>>> mechanisms. I believe this crucial research project needs a >>>>> collaborative >>>>> network of research organizations, government institutions, NGOs, >>>>> think-tanks, international bodies, and advanced IT businesses, led >>>>> both >>>>> by >>>>> an ontology luminary and technology celebrity . This trans-national >>>>> research >>>>> network can start as a Quality Consortium within a FP7 Cooperation >>>>> program >>>>> in the area of Information and Communication Technologies. >>> >>>>> with respects, >>>>> Azamat Abdoullaev >>>>> EIS Encyclopedic Intelligent Systems LTD >>>>> http://www.eis.com.cy >>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Tim Berners-Lee" <timbl@w3.org> >>>>>> To: "SW-forum" <semantic-web@w3.org> >>>>>> Cc: "Jim Hendler" <hendler@cs.umd.edu> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 4:01 AM >>>>>> Subject: Disaster management ontologies? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I had an exciting visit from the students in Sri Lanka who had just >>>>>>> received an award for their open source disaster management system, >>>>>>> Sahana. >>>>>>> http://www.sahana.lk/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Discussing their system, which has just received a Free Software >>>>>>> Foundation award, I remembered many conversations about the >>>>>>> desirability >>>>>>> for wide interoperability in emergence and disaster situations. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I suggested the Sahana folks provide RDF feeds of, for example, >>>>>>> missing >>>>>>> persons, found persons, shelters, relive groups and resources on the >>>>>>> ground, and other things they track. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I started a wiki page to capture a little of this >>>>>>> http://esw.w3.org/topic/DisasterManagement >>>>>>> which is like all wikis open to additions! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is missing, I imagine, many pointers to government efforts. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you know of activity around disaster management technology which >>>>>>> could >>>>>>> possible be involved in or shed light on this, then please mail >>>>>>> ivan@w3.org or add it to the wiki. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A possible next step would be an Incubator Group (XG) for a diaster >>>>>>> management ontology development. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Disaster response is much about preparedness. If much relevant data >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> available in RDF, when a disaster strikes, those on the ground and >>>>>>> across >>>>>>> the world will be able to use it to know what best to do to respond. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tim Berners-Lee >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> С уважением, >>> Leonid mailto:leo@mgn.ru >>> >>> > > > > > > -- > С уважением, > Leonid mailto:leo@mgn.ru >
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