- From: Liam R. E. Quin <liam@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 03 May 2016 14:10:54 -0400
- To: Andrew Coleman <andrew_coleman@uk.ibm.com>, public-xsl-query@w3.org
On Fri, 2016-04-29 at 13:55 +0100, Andrew Coleman wrote:
DRAFT XML Query/XSL WG Joint Teleconference #642 Agenda 2016-05-03
This week, I'd like us to work on the following items:
J4.2 (F&O)
J4.4 (XPath)
Q2.3 (XQuery)
SUMMARY OF DECISIONS
====================
DECISION: revert NCName:* change to option 1a as per
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Mar/0035.html
[this is the decision regarding parsing MapConstructorEntry]
NEW ACTION ITEMS
================
ACTION A-642-01 Mike Kay to incorporate changes for 29555 into F&O
for width modifiers
ACTION A-642-02 Mike Kay to implement the change he suggested in bug
29588
to make the prose normative for duplicate keys
ACTION A-642-03 Mike Kay to make editorial change in 29593 (search
terms)
ACTION A-642-04 Josh to create test cases for NCName:* change to 1b in
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Mar/0035.html
ACTION A-642-05 MDyck to update the spec to reflect NCName:*/*:NCName
change to option 1a as per
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Mar/0035.html
[this is the decision regarding parsing MapConstructorEntry]
ACTION A-642-06 Tim to write out consequences of his proposal in 29586
for the judgement subtype-itemtype(Ai, Bi)
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Joint XML Query Working Group and XSL Working Group
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J1. Administrative Items
J1.1 Selection of secretary(s)
Liam took minutes.
Most recent secretaries (least-recent participants first):
----------------------------------------------------------
(This list identifies the most recent three occasions when each
participant acted as Secretary for the Task Force. The person whose
name is at the top of the list should plan to take the minutes at
the
meeting identified by this agenda; if that person is unavailable,
then
the job will fall to the next person on the list, etc.
John Snelson - 2015-01-12, 2015-07-16, 2015-06-02
Liam Quin - 2016-01-19, 2015-10-06, 2015-06-16
Adam Retter - 2016-01-26, 2015-10-20, 2015-04-21
Michael Sprbrg-McQn - 2016-02-09, 2015-10-03, 2015-06-09
Michael Dyck - 2016-03-08, 2015-11-17, 2015-09-01
Josh Spiegel - 2016-03-15, 2015-12-01, 2015-09-08
Tim Mills - 2016-03-22, 2015-12-08, 2015-09-15
Norm Walsh - 2016-04-05, 2015-12-15, 2015-09-22
Jonathan Robie - 2016-04-12, 2016-01-05, 2015-09-29
O'Neil Delpratt - 2016-04-19, 2016-02-02, 2015-10-27
Mike Kay - 2016-04-26, 2016-03-01, 2015-11-10
J1.2 Call the Roll -- NOT DONE DURING TELECONFERENCE
Present:
Liam
Andy
Michael Sperberg-McQueen
Josh
Michael Dyck
Michael Kay
Norm Walsh
O'Neil
Tim Mills
Regrets:
John
Rugrats:
None.
J1.3 Approval of agenda
J1.3.1 Additions, deletions, or corrections?
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016May/0000.html
added under J4.4
J1.4 Review of recent minutes and administrative items
J1.4.1 Minutes of meeting #641 (MikeK)
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Apr/0033.html
accepted
J1.5 Review of action items
J1.5.1 Outstanding action items
ACTION A-637-02: JRobie to include the note in Comment #8 of Bug
29419.
Note also comment #11.
Status: Pending; ETA 2016-05-17
ACTION A-640-02: Mdyck to implemented proposal in the appendix A of
the
XPath and XQuery specs as described in 2b. Also to make change in
the
applet and ensure tests cases are updated in the test suite.
Primary one is map-constructor. See:
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Mar/0035.html
- part a) Change spec - DONE
- part b) Change applets
- part c) Change test suite
Status: Pending; ETA not specified.
Found there were rather a lot of changes needed but hit a snag; see
J4.4.3
ACTION A-640-03: Jonathan to document the decision: Partial function
application never returns a map or an array. if $F is a map or an
array
then $F(?) is legal, it returns a function and the function is not a
map
or an array.
Status: Pending; ETA 2016-05-17
ACTION A-640-04: Jonathan Robie to resolve Bug #29277 by making the
changes from comment #20 items 2 and 5.
Status: Pending; ETA 2016-05-17
ACTION A-641-01 on Liam to make the front page of the old test suite
documentation (
https://dev.w3.org/2006/xquery-test-suite/PublicPagesStagingArea/)
essentially say that the 1.0 test suite is superseded by the 3.0
test
suite (which identifies those tests that are suitable for running
under
1.0). Also to update the links (or their annotation) appearing on
https://www.w3.org/XML/Query/#hardcore.
done
ACTION A-641-02 (bug 29555) MK to propose a precise algorithm for
computing min and max width of a format-date component; also define
an error when min>max.
done
ACTION A-641-03 (bug 29583) Jonathan to add xs:anySimpleType to the
list of types for which there is no constructor function.
Status: Pending; ETA not specified.
ACTION A-641-04 (bug 29277) Jonathan to make the editorial changes
needed.
Status: Pending; ETA not specified.
ACTION A-641-05 (bug 29509) Jonathan to make a proposal to resolve
this
bug.
Status: Pending; ETA not specified.
ACTION A-641-06 (bug 29546) OND to implement the agreed resolution:
tests that require construction of dates with negative years should
have an alternative result of error FODT0001.
done
ACTION A-641-07 (bug 29573) (fallback language and calendar) OND to
implement the resolution: make the test assertion more liberal, ie.
do not
require anything that the spec doesn't require. (Done by MK after
the meeting)
done
ACTION A-641-08 (bug 29590) (Circularities) OND to implement the
resolution: change the test so there is no possibility of infinite
function-call recursion
done
ACTION A-641-09 (bug 29547) (year zero) OND to apply the resolution:
make
these tests (a) dependent on support for XSD 1.1, and (b) allow an
FODT0001 result for implementations whose minimum year is 0001.
pending, ETA 10th May
ACTION A-641-10 (bug 29589) (multiple module imports) MK to apply
documentation changes to explain the expectations of the test suite
<module> element. (DONE after the meeting).
done
ACTION A-641-11 (bug 29592) (array and map prefixes). Action on Tim to
resolve the issue in the way suggested in the bug report.
In progress; some already done.
ACTION A-641-12 (bug 29572) (an integer is acceptable where decimal
is required) MK to change the expected test results so that an integer
is acceptable where the specification mandates a decimal.
done
ACTION A-641-13 (bug 29571) on Jonathan and Tim to agree a Note to
add to
the spec to make it clear to readers that when T is a list type, T(x)
cast as T will typically fail.
In progress, note drafted by Tim but not yet sent to Jonathan
ACTION A-641-14 on Jonathan and Michael Dyck to agree revised wording
to resolve the potential ambiguity in the resolution of action
A-636-08 as described in
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Apr/0020.html
.
ACTION A-641-15 (bug 29576) (date/time limits) on Jonathan to apply
the
proposed text in comment #1 of the bug report.
Status: Pending; ETA not specified.
ACTION A-641-17 (bug 29586) John Snelson (as the expert on 2.5.6.2
The judgement subtype-itemtype(Ai, Bi)), to respond to this bug.
done
J1.5.2 Completed action items
ACTION A-640-01: Mike Kay to resolve Bug 29570 as described in
comment #0
Status: Closed; bug was a duplicate
ACTION A-641-16 (bug 29568) (applet problem with \uHHHH) on MDyck to
see
if we can find a way forward on this bug.
Status: Closed; See
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Apr/0036.html
J1.6 Update on related activities
J1.6.1 Update on XSLT WG activities (Sharon, MikeK)
J1.6.2 Update on EXPath/EXQuery CG activities (Mike)
Mike has raised a bug agsint XSLT about inconsistancies in some of the
XML to JSON functions.
J1.7 Future Meetings
J1.7.1 QT Meeting Schedule
[V45] Joint XML Query/XSL WG meeting schedule
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2016Apr/0000.html
J1.7.2 Future F2F Meetings
J1.7.2.1 Other future F2F meetings
(none)
J2. Documents For Review
(none)
J3. Maintenance Issues
J3.0 The XML Query WG and XSLT WG do not intend to maintains specs
earlier than the 3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches
Recommendation, maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated.
This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other problems
reported against the 3.0 (later, 3.1) suite of specifications.
J3.0.1 Concerns raised by the XSLT working group in regards to
potential
completion delays of XSLT 3.0 if XPath 3.0 is made obsoleted by 3.1
Status: Pending the outcome of Abel's review of 3.0 bugs/errata.
Any change to the status of the 3.0 specs requires explicit
XSL WG
consultation.
J3.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of joint XML Query WG
and
XSLT WG documents
(none)
J4. Active Specification Development
** Note: Full Text 3.1 has been removed from the WG agenda.
If, in the future, there is sufficient interest (i.e. at least two
independent participants to develop the spec and implementations),
then this can be brought back on the agenda.
J4.1 Data Model 3.1 (Norm)
J4.1.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31
/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31
/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31
/src/changes.txt
(none)
J4.2 Functions and Operators 3.1 (Mike Kay)
J4.2.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31
/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31
/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31
/src/changes.txt
J4.2.1 Bug 29555 - [FO31] 9.8.4.2 The Width Modifier
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29555
Status: Pending completion of A-641-02
Mike Kay did some work on fractional seconds but questions came up on
other
areas, and in particular the interaction of width modifier and
separator.
I've filled in another gap in the patchwork of rules...
Josh notes there may still be some weird corner cases but it's probably
OK.
Year truncation is a "should" - do we want to keep it that way?
ACTION A-642-01 Mike Kay to incorporate changes for 29555 into F&O
for width modifiers
J4.2.2 Bug 29588 - [fo31] xml-to-json - rules for duplicate keys
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29588
We rely on the Schema rules for uniqueness (for keys) but that doesn't
quite have the desired effect. It disallows some keys that are not
duplicates
and allows some that are.
If you create JSON it's not a problem, but from XML the schema and spec
today don't prevent problems.
Mike proposes making the prose normative as it's too hard to express in
a Schema.
ACTION A-642-02 Mike Kay to implement the change he suggested in bug
29588
to make the prose normative for duplicate keys
J4.2.3 Bug 29593 - [FO31] search terms
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29593
ACTION A-642-03 Mike Kay to make editorial change in 29593 (search
terms)
J4.2.4 Bug 29496 - [FO31] parse-ietf-date with military timezones
and leniency towards single-digit numbers
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29496
Status: REOPENED: Ready to discuss
DECISION: for bug 29496, retain status quo with no further changes,
allowing TZ 130.
J4.3 Serialization 3.1 (Michael Sperberg-McQueen, Andy)
J4.3.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serial
ization-31/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serial
ization-31/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serial
ization-31/src/changes.txt
(none)
J4.4 XPath 3.1 (Jonathan)
J4.4.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpa
th-31.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpa
th-31-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/chan
ges.txt
J4.4.1 Bug 29509 - Functions: External, Implementation-Defined, Host
Language
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29509
Status: Pending completion of A-641-05
J4.4.2 Bug 29419 - [XP31] edge case with negative integer literals
(UnaryExpr) and limits for -9223372036854775808, which cannot be
parsed
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29419
Status: Pending completion of A-637-02
This bug was reopened after this action item was raised - is there
more to
discuss on this?
J4.4.3 (new item)
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016May/0000.html
Josh: over 100 tests will have to be changed and some reasonable things
will be made into syntax errors.
Prefer to change NCName production.
MDyck: we had two alternatives, Josh's and the path we took, to
disallow.
In the first, we'd change how things were parsed.
Revisiting the original decision to require the space in all cases;
looking for an unambiguous solution that's less invasive than the
current (new) approach.
Applets already operate under assumption 1 and have been for years.
Mike Kay OK with option 1; Tim also OK; both have been waiting.
No objections to changing previous decision to option 1.
based on implemention feedback from josh and MDyck's applet,
we encounter fewer problems with option w - March message 35
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Mar/0035.html
option 1a.
Josh and MDyck have both implemented something closer to 1b but that
requires more spec changes. But support 1a in the spec.
DECISION: revert NCName:*/*:NCName change to option 1a as per
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Mar/0035.html
ACTION A-642-04 Josh to create test cases for NCName:* change to 1b in
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Mar/0035.html
ACTION A-642-05 MDyck to update the spec to reflect NCName:*/*:NCName
change to option 1a as per
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Mar/0035.html
J4.5 Grammar Test Applets (Michael Dyck)
J4.5.1 Bugzilla Bug 13796, [Applet30] \u escaped characters in
grammar applets
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13796
closed, fixed
J4.6 QT3 test suite (O'Neil)
J4.6.1 Status report on test suite, harness, tools
(no discussion needed)
J4.6.2 Status of 3.1 tests results
Status: Currently three implementers submitted results
J5. Progression of Work
J5.1 XSLT 3.0, XQuery 3.1, XQueryX 3.1, XPath 3.1, XDM 3.1, F&O 3.1,
Serialization 3.1
J5.1.1 Current status
* In Candidate Recommendation; awaiting implementation reports
J5.1.2 Dependencies inhibiting progression
* Completion of test suite minimum-required-to-declare-victory
* Sufficient implementation experience and reports thereof
* Formal response to all comments, responses accepted by commenters
* PR Transition Request and authorization, PR pub request
* REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request
J5.2 Update 3.0
J5.2.1 Current Status
* In Last Call Working Draft
At XML Prague, Liam talked to a few people about XQuery Update but
found
no great enthusiasm for doing the work. We cannot progress without
plans
for a test suite and potential implementers. The WG needs to decide
what
to do with this spec.
Status: Ready to discuss
J5.2.2 Require owner of XQUF 3.0 Test Suite
J5.2.3 Dependencies inhibiting progression
* CR Transition Request and authorization, CR pub request
* Completion of test suite minimum-required-to-declare-victory
* Sufficient implementation experience and reports thereof
* Formal response to all comments, responses accepted by commenters
* PR Transition Request and authorization, PR pub request
* REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request
J6. Any other business
J6.1 Consideration of future work
J6.1.1 QT 3.2
The WGs decided that we will finish the 3.1 documents presently under
way,
but undertake no new work. Maintenance work should be planned upon
for a
period of time after finishing the specifications.
J6.1.2 FT 3.1
Currently inadequate interest and resources
J6.1.3 Update 3.1
Currently inadequate interest and resources
J7. Adjourn
=======================
XML Query Working Group
=======================
Q1. The XML Query WG does not intend to maintains specs earlier than
the
3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches Recommendation,
maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated.
Q1.0 This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other
problems reported against the 3.0 (later, 3.1) XML Query WG suite of
specifications.
Q1.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of XML Query WG
documents
(none)
Q2. Active Specification Development
Q2.1 XQuery Update Facility 3.0 (John)
Q2.1.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/h
tml/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/h
tml/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/s
rc/changes.txt
* The WG needs to obtain implementation experience with this
document.
Q2.2 XQuery Update Facility 3.0 Requirements and Use Cases (Andy)
See
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/requirements/xquery-update-30/htm
l/Overview.html
* The WGs need to be certain that this document is completed
(red/yellow/green bullets on requirements, all the use cases intended
to
be published) and a decision made to advance it to WG Note.
Q2.3 XQuery 3.1 (Jonathan)
Q2.3.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xqu
ery-31.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xqu
ery-31-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/chan
ges.txt
Q2.3.1 Bug 29586 - [XQ31] 2.5.6.2 The judgement subtype-itemtype(Ai,
Bi)
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29586
Status: Pending completion of A-641-16
ACTION A-642-06 Tim to write out consequences of his proposal in 29586
for the judgement subtype-itemtype(Ai, Bi)
Q2.4 XQueryX 3.1 (Josh)
Q2.4.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Ov
erview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Ov
erview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/src/cha
nges.txt
(none)
Q3. Test Suite Development
Q3.1 Update Facility 3.0 Test Suite (????)
* Need test suite developer/manager
* Need tests
Q4. Any other business
Q5. Adjourn
--
Liam R. E. Quin <liam@w3.org>
The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
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