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Agenda for XML Core WG telcon of 2004 September 8

From: Paul Grosso <pgrosso@arbortext.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:52:09 -0400
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To: "XML Core WG" <public-xml-core-wg@w3.org>

We have an XML Core WG phone call scheduled for Wednesday, 
September 8, from
          08:00-09:00 Pacific time aka
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          15:00-16:00 UTC
          16:00-17:00 in Ireland and the UK
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on the Zakim W3C Bridge, +1 617 761 6200, passcode 9652#.
We also use IRC channel #xmlcore on irc.w3.org:6665 .

See the XML Core group page [1] for pointers to current documents
and other information.  If you have additions to the agenda, please
email them to the WG list before the start of the telcon.

Please also review our group page's task list [2] for accuracy and
completeness and be prepared to amend if necessary and accept it
at the beginning of the call.

1. Accepting the minutes from the last telcon [3] and
   the current task status [2] (have any questions, comments,
   or corrections ready by the beginning of the call).

2. Miscellaneous administrivia.

3. Problem with xml:space in the Schema document for the XML namespace

Masayasu Ishikawa <mimasa@w3.org> sent us email on this at:

Henry found that Mimasa was not correct about not being able
to  make xml:space fixed.  Henry replied at:

But it remains open whether we should change the default (or
change the fact that it is defaulted).

CONSENSUS to remove the default for xml:space from the schema
for the xml namespace.

ACTION to Henry:  Make the actual change once we've figured
out how/when to announce this.

ACTION to JohnC:  Make an announcement to xml-dev that we plan
to make this change and request any feedback be sent to xml-editor.

ACTION to Henry:  Ditto to xml-schema-dev and to chairs.

4. XML errata.  The published 1.0 errata document is [8], the
   published 1.1 errata document is [9], and the NEW PUBLIC
   Potential Errata (PE) document is [7]. 

5. Namespaces in XML.

  ACTION to Richard:  Produce a draft for NS1.0 2nd Ed.

6. Xinclude CR was published April 13 at:
   The updated test suite cover page is at

The PR-ready draft is at:

The public DoC (aka latest issues list) is at:
[Note: The Director view displays incorrectly in IE6.0.]

At http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2004Jul/0025 
Richard had sent a format for submitting test reports and an XSLT 
to convert the report to an HTML page. 

ACTION to Richard:  Add a test for xml:lang to the test suite.

Richard put up results for ERH and himself:

Paul and Richard got some more info from Elliotte including his
test suite.  It turns out that we'll need some written permission from
Elliotte to include his test suite--Paul will look into that.

ACTION to Richard:  Check out Elliotte's results and sanity check that
he does support xml:lang and accept-*; assuming he does, add some kind
of entry/note to our implementation report document saying that he does
so that we can "document" that we have an implementation of these

Daniel sent email about his results at:
but I'm not sure how to present this in our implementation feedback, so:

ACTION to DV:  Provide a table giving results (using Richard's files) of
running the test suite on your implementation.

Paul sent an updated draft PR request at:
Remaining ACTIONs are:

a.  Richard:  Copy the implementation report into public 
              space and email the new URL to the WG.

b.  Daniel:  Provide us with an implementation report asap.

c.  Paul:  Get from Elliotte a definitive statement about
           his support of xml:lang and accept/accept-language.

  This morphed into the above action to Richard to augment the
  implementation report with such a statement.

d.  WG:  Approve this WD to go to PR.

e.  Paul and Norm:  Create the final version in WG space.

f.  Paul:  Generate and send the actual PR request.

g.  Henry:  Help arrange a PR call.

Paul ran pubrules and things look good, but since last minute
changes will require another pass:

ACTION to Paul:  Do a final pass on the status section, 
pubrules, etc.

7. xml:id.

Relaxing the constraint that there be one ID per element.

We want to make sure that the xml:id spec is agnostic wrt whether 
there is more than one thing of type id on one elemnt, as this is 
a property of the validation mechanism.  

Currently, the spec says nothing in this regard, so it is, in fact,
agnostic.  Therefore, we have no action.

So the reply to the comment is that the xml:id spec has no such
constraint, so there is nothing to relax.

CONSENSUS to add a note to the spec on this.

ACTION to Norm:  Add the note and reply to the commenter.

Norm has collected the xml:id issues, now (public) at:

and put a new version of the draft at

ID Strictness 
Commentor figures that non-validating parsers shouldn't have 
to check for xml:id validity.

Currently, conformance to xml:id does require non-validating 
parsers to check for xml:id validity; of course, no parser is 
required to conform to xml:id.

Richard send email outlining our options at:

He outlines options of strict, moderate, lax id checking.

Richard would like to know that ids, for example, don't 
contain spaces.

Then we started asking if id values should be NCName or Name.

Tentative CONSENSUS that we would do "moderate" where id values 
should be NCName (with some uncertainty).

We left open what kind of error it would be if the above isn't 
the case.

Norm sent email with his latest proposal:
and there was some follow up email discussion.

There is email from Dan Connolly re:
how does XInclude mix with XML Schema? XSLT?

8.  XML Profile.  The TAG (via Norm) asks about progress on this:

[1] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core
[2] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#tasks
[3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2004Sep/0002
[8] http://www.w3.org/XML/xml-V10-3e-errata
[9] http://www.w3.org/XML/xml-V11-1e-errata
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