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RE: Another Translator for RDF

From: Peter Williams <home_pw@msn.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 09:11:13 -0800
Message-ID: <SNT143-W3352D585637B05BCD4F6DE92AD0@phx.gbl>
To: <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
CC: "public-xg-webid@w3.org" <public-xg-webid@w3.org>


but, its not consumable. We have been doing email for 50 years, and look at where we have got to:

 I cannot even portray the issue in email, as the portray email will further compound the issue: so here is a picture, at http://tinyurl.com/d6zs46d What matters about certs is not whether they work/ed, but whether they are/were consumable - and a billion folks have/had more security than they previously obtained (not that it is/was particularly assured). But, one problem at a time. First we disposed of the cold war (i.e. NSA). Now, we focus on FBI and the far more sinister SSS culture of surveillance, snooping, snitching. ie. society itself.  



Try:
http://rdf-translator.appspot.com/parse?url=http%3A%2F%2Fyorkporc2.blogspot.com%2F&of=n3 
<http://rdf-translator.appspot.com/parse?url=http%3A%2F%2Fyorkporc2.blogspot.com%2F&of=n3>#this
 
That turns the Address into a Name with implicit disambiguation. 
Basically, the server doesn't need to implement said disambiguation via 
303 based redirection.
 
<http://rdf-translator.appspot.com/parse?url=http%3A%2F%2Fyorkporc2.blogspot.com%2F&of=n3 
<http://rdf-translator.appspot.com/parse?url=http%3A%2F%2Fyorkporc2.blogspot.com%2F&of=n3>#this> 
isDescribedBy 
<http://rdf-translator.appspot.com/parse?url=http%3A%2F%2Fyorkporc2.blogspot.com%2F&of=n3 
<http://rdf-translator.appspot.com/parse?url=http%3A%2F%2Fyorkporc2.blogspot.com%2F&of=n3>> 
.
 
Thus, de-referencing: 
<http://rdf-translator.appspot.com/parse?url=http%3A%2F%2Fyorkporc2.blogspot.com%2F&of=n3 
<http://rdf-translator.appspot.com/parse?url=http%3A%2F%2Fyorkporc2.blogspot.com%2F&of=n3>#this> 
, via GET leads to the representation (its eav/spo directed graph 
pictorial consistency) of: 
<http://rdf-translator.appspot.com/parse?url=http%3A%2F%2Fyorkporc2.blogspot.com%2F&of=n3 
<http://rdf-translator.appspot.com/parse?url=http%3A%2F%2Fyorkporc2.blogspot.com%2F&of=n3>> 
being streamed to the WebID validator.
  

 


> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 11:40:20 -0500
> From: kidehen@openlinksw.com
> To: home_pw@msn.com
> CC: public-xg-webid@w3.org
> Subject: Re: Another Translator for RDF
> 
> On 12/28/11 9:42 PM, Peter Williams wrote:
> > ow, Im tempted to put the following URI (or a tiny URI version of it) 
> > in my SAN URI
> >
> > http://rdf-translator.appspot.com/parse?url=http%3A%2F%2Fyorkporc2.blogspot.com%2F&of=n3 
> > <http://rdf-translator.appspot.com/parse?url=http%3A%2F%2Fyorkporc2.blogspot.com%2F&of=n3>
> >
> > Now Ive still no real idea how to think (as a consumer) about #tag vs 
> > document pointers , et al. Thinking as a consumer, I JUST WANT TO 
> > CLICK ON A BOOKMARKLET, and copy the resulting page's browser's 
> > address bar into my cert maker form - that simply replaced my existing 
> > cert with a new one (with a difference SAN name). 10s later I have a 
> > new cert. Thats how dumb its got to be (for manual interaction).
> >
> > FCNS accepts it.
> > FOAF SSL rejects it
> > ODS rejects it.
> >
> > I suspect FCNS is not truely "de-referencing", whereas the other 2 are. 
> 
> Yes.
> 
> > Do I care, is the question I suppose I should ask.
> 
> Try:
> http://rdf-translator.appspot.com/parse?url=http%3A%2F%2Fyorkporc2.blogspot.com%2F&of=n3 
> <http://rdf-translator.appspot.com/parse?url=http%3A%2F%2Fyorkporc2.blogspot.com%2F&of=n3>#this
> 
> That turns the Address into a Name with implicit disambiguation. 
> Basically, the server doesn't need to implement said disambiguation via 
> 303 based redirection.
> 
> <http://rdf-translator.appspot.com/parse?url=http%3A%2F%2Fyorkporc2.blogspot.com%2F&of=n3 
> <http://rdf-translator.appspot.com/parse?url=http%3A%2F%2Fyorkporc2.blogspot.com%2F&of=n3>#this> 
> isDescribedBy 
> <http://rdf-translator.appspot.com/parse?url=http%3A%2F%2Fyorkporc2.blogspot.com%2F&of=n3 
> <http://rdf-translator.appspot.com/parse?url=http%3A%2F%2Fyorkporc2.blogspot.com%2F&of=n3>> 
> .
> 
> Thus, de-referencing: 
> <http://rdf-translator.appspot.com/parse?url=http%3A%2F%2Fyorkporc2.blogspot.com%2F&of=n3 
> <http://rdf-translator.appspot.com/parse?url=http%3A%2F%2Fyorkporc2.blogspot.com%2F&of=n3>#this> 
> , via GET leads to the representation (its eav/spo directed graph 
> pictorial consistency) of: 
> <http://rdf-translator.appspot.com/parse?url=http%3A%2F%2Fyorkporc2.blogspot.com%2F&of=n3 
> <http://rdf-translator.appspot.com/parse?url=http%3A%2F%2Fyorkporc2.blogspot.com%2F&of=n3>> 
> being streamed to the WebID validator.
> 
> The WebID validator then processes the retrieved graph by looking up the 
> relations that underlie the WebID protocol.
> 
> Hint:
> 
> Adding #this to the URL (Address) basically conforms to the Linked Data 
> (an old Object Theory rule) that an Object's Identity is distinct from 
> its Representation (values).
> >
> > This is rapidly getting consumable (once the quirks are ironed out). 
> > What I difference from the days of xwiki, and foaf.me.
> 
> Once the fundamentals are nailed and verifiers honor Linked Data 
> principles, we are set :-)
> 
> -- 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Kingsley Idehen 
> Founder& CEO
> OpenLink Software
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