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Re: First vCard in RDF and FOAF Future Telecon: May 27th 2:00 UTC (immediately after SWXG telecon)

From: Harry Halpin <hhalpin@ibiblio.org>
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:52:07 +0300
Message-ID: <b3be92a00905260252g33f1d52cwa97586de2cc26ca5@mail.gmail.com>
To: Dan Brickley <danbri@danbri.org>
Cc: Tim Berners-Lee <timbl@w3.org>, Renato Iannella <renato@nicta.com.au>, martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org, Peter Mika <pmika@yahoo-inc.com>, Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com>, Brian Suda <brian.suda@gmail.com>, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>, public-xg-socialweb@w3.org
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Dan Brickley <danbri@danbri.org> wrote:
> I'd rather you waited until I was available. I suggest using the time to
> have everyone review the Portable Contacts spec. Following TimBL's mail, I
> agree that addressbook standards need a different spec-management style to
> the rest of FOAF. And from my perspective, that work has been done very well
> in this last year by the Portable Contacts initiative. For those of you not
> familiar with, I suggest taking a look. It draws on Joseph Smarr's knowledge
> (via Plaxo) of real-world vCard deployment, it has XML and JSON
> representations, it has excellent uptake from large scale social network
> implementations, and is pretty close to the hCard microformat profile of
> vCard. It's the best thing around, has smart people and traction, and re
> RDF-ing it I've begun a discussion about them putting up GRDDL on their XML
> namespace. The entire PC spec is rather big property-wise as it includes all
> of the OpenSocial schema too (ie. do you smoke, what relationship are you
> looking for etc etc). But the basics are simple and should be easy to
> RDFize. Having a telecon with attendees who haven't looked at
> portablecontacts.net/draft-spec.html in any detail would probably be a waste
> of everyone's time...

Yes, I agree that looking at Portable Contacts would be a good idea to
begin. Also, given that we're not precisely sure of the future of FOAF
(which I'm sure will start developing quickly!), we can also at least
co-ordinate and produce a single vCard RDF/OWL ontology from the
two specifications, ideally with some input from Peter Mika and others
who have seen some vCard RDF use in the wild. Then, at *least* we can
have a stable subset/complement to FOAF 2.0/PortableContactsRDF.

We need to double-check to see if not only are there any open vCard in
RDF problems (I think we resolved them, in particular the use of
v;VCard as not necessary, i.e. that "adr" properites and the like can
belong to people, not just business cards)  at the face-to-face in
Madrid, but not sure.

Lastly, we need to double-check to see if there are any substantive
changes to vCard-in-XML (whose rather spam-filled mailing list is here
[1] and whose last spec is here [2]).

Anything else that should be put on the agenda?

[1] http://www.imc.org/ietf-vcard-xml/mail-archive/
[2] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dawson-vcard-xml-dtd-01

> cheers,
> Dan
> On 25/5/09 15:02, Harry Halpin wrote:
>> We'll do our first "invited telecon" on fixing up the vCard FOAF
>> mismatch on Wednesday at 2:00 UTC. While several important people
>> can't make it (DanBri and Renato), I'll be seeing Renato in person a
>> few days afterwards, so it's important we develop a list of things we
>> want fixed and open questions that need an answer for vCard in RDF.
>> Then, hopefully in a later "guest" telecon, we can sort out the issues
>> of mapping vCard to the latest IETF vCard/Portable Contacts work, and
>> the future of FOAF. In particular, getting feedback from the use of
>> vCard/RDF in the wilde from Peter Mika is of importance, as well as
>> someone (Ivan?) who has an idea for the process for merging the vCard
>> ontology/VCard in RDF namespaces. Lastly, Libby, if you have any
>> preferences or questions for for how vCard should evolve with FOAF,
>> now would be a good time to start brainstorming.
>> Doing as much of this brainstorming as possible over the list-serv
>> beforehand is always a good thing.
>> Here's the telecon details:
>> May 27th 2:00 UTC (Check your local time [1])
>> SWXG WG "Invited Guest: VCard"  meeting
>>            2009-05-27T14:00-15:00Z
>>           + Zakim teleconference bridge: Boston, USA:
>>             +1.617.761.6200 code:SWXG Nice, France:
>>             + code:SWXG Bristol, UK:
>>             +44.117.370.6152 code:SWXG
>>              supplementary IRC chat: #swxg on irc.w3.org port 6665
>> Tell me if you need any more help with Zakim and telecons in general.
>> [1] http://permatime.com/UTC/2009-05-27/14:00/Next_teleconference
>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Harry Halpin<hhalpin@ibiblio.org>
>>  wrote:
>>> Everyone,
>>>    You've been invited to help sort out the "great" vCard in RDF and
>>> FOAF controversy, hopefully in order to get one useful RDF vocabulary
>>> that contains the basic core terms needed to describe people (call it
>>> "FOAF 2.0 - the vCard edition" if you will, although we may just have
>>> a new single version of vCard in RDF emerge as a module to be used
>>> with FOAF. Who knows?). We need to discuss what terms, solve any open
>>> issues, how to host, how to point old versions to a new version, and
>>> then how to outreach and communicate with the Portable Contacts and
>>> the current vCard IETF WG.
>>>   The Social Web XG will host the telecon. What times work best for
>>> people? The Social Web XG would prefer a Wednesday at 2:00 UTC (Note
>>> that this is 3:00 London, 10 AM Boston time). Please use this Doodl
>>> scheduler to indicate what times you are open:
>>> http://www.doodle.com/2b94ukh7ztdvaesv
>>>   Lastly, see our wiki page [1] for more information.
>>>   Thank you,
>>>            harry
>>> [1] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/DiscussionTopics
>>>               harry
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